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Justin Schultz

Sgt said:
43 minutes ago
DarrenDreger: Wayne Gretzky confirms he called Justin Schultz as part of the Oilers push to sign the young d-man.Paul Coffey also part of the Edmtn pitch.

Well that's not fair.  >:( I called no Gretzkys or Coffeys, no erasies!
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Kid wasn't even born last time those guys played for the Oilers. 

 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Sgt said:
43 minutes ago
DarrenDreger: Wayne Gretzky confirms he called Justin Schultz as part of the Oilers push to sign the young d-man.Paul Coffey also part of the Edmtn pitch.

Well that's not fair.  >:( I called no Gretzkys or Coffeys, no erasies!
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Kid wasn't even born last time those guys played for the Oilers.
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Anson Carter and Sven Butenschoen were unavailable. 
 
Sgt said:
43 minutes ago
DarrenDreger: Wayne Gretzky confirms he called Justin Schultz as part of the Oilers push to sign the young d-man.Paul Coffey also part of the Edmtn pitch.

Well that's not fair.  >:( I called no Gretzkys or Coffeys, no erasies!
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Can we up the ante with Sundin/Sittler/Clark/Gilmour?
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I'd actually be surprised if that happened. It'd put both players in a rather awkward position. Besides, any discussion between the two about Schultz signing with the Leafs has probably already occurred. Putting the two in the same room with a bunch of the Leafs management and Schultz representatives wouldn't really accomplish much.
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Yeah. I mean, it's probably pretty safe to assume they've spent a good chunk of Schultz's free time together, and I have to imagine the topic has come up between them. Having him the room doesn't really provide anything.
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Don't know if this was posted:

Gardiner has called Schultz, urging him to join the Leafs, one of five teams Schultz identified on a short list. The Rangers, Senators, Canucks and Oilers were the others.

?I?ve talked to him a little bit, but he really didn?t give me anything,? said Gardiner, who said he?d love to be teammates with ?Schultzy? again. ?As his friend, I definitely want him to come here. The whole city does.

?It?d be awesome. Hopefully it works out. There?s a lot of teams after him.?
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http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1219567--nhl-free-agents-maple-leafs-hope-jake-gardiner-convinces-justin-schultz-to-sign
 
Anybody a little weary of a kid whose character is such that he's basically screwing over the team that drafted him to get some extra cash quick?

No?

OK, just checking. 
 
Frank E said:
Anybody a little weary of a kid whose character is such that he's basically screwing over the team that drafted him to get some extra cash quick?

No?

OK, just checking. 
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He's actually going to be making less money than he would have had he signed with the Ducks late in the season. Money has absolutely nothing to do with this.
 
Potvin29 said:
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I'd actually be surprised if that happened. It'd put both players in a rather awkward position. Besides, any discussion between the two about Schultz signing with the Leafs has probably already occurred. Putting the two in the same room with a bunch of the Leafs management and Schultz representatives wouldn't really accomplish much.
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Yeah. I mean, it's probably pretty safe to assume they've spent a good chunk of Schultz's free time together, and I have to imagine the topic has come up between them. Having him the room doesn't really provide anything.
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Don't know if this was posted:

Gardiner has called Schultz, urging him to join the Leafs, one of five teams Schultz identified on a short list. The Rangers, Senators, Canucks and Oilers were the others.

?I?ve talked to him a little bit, but he really didn?t give me anything,? said Gardiner, who said he?d love to be teammates with ?Schultzy? again. ?As his friend, I definitely want him to come here. The whole city does.

?It?d be awesome. Hopefully it works out. There?s a lot of teams after him.?
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http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1219567--nhl-free-agents-maple-leafs-hope-jake-gardiner-convinces-justin-schultz-to-sign
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Gardiner tweeted that he's back in Minnesota today. Clearly a sign that Schultz isn't signing with us.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Anybody a little weary of a kid whose character is such that he's basically screwing over the team that drafted him to get some extra cash quick?

No?

OK, just checking. 
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He's actually going to be making less money than he would have had he signed with the Ducks late in the season. Money has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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Oh.  I thought that he could sign a deal for 2 years and then be RFA...and that he couldn't do that with Anaheim.
 
Frank E said:
Anybody a little weary of a kid whose character is such that he's basically screwing over the team that drafted him to get some extra cash quick?

No?
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No. Schultz is under no obligation to the Ducks. His character is such that he is turning down one offer to listen to others he thinks are more attractive.

Now you, being the sort of kind and generous soul who'd never even think about looking out for your own interests in a business decision, probably find that incomprehensible but it's quite common these days.
 
Frank E said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Frank E said:
Anybody a little weary of a kid whose character is such that he's basically screwing over the team that drafted him to get some extra cash quick?

No?

OK, just checking. 
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He's actually going to be making less money than he would have had he signed with the Ducks late in the season. Money has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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Oh.  I thought that he could sign a deal for 2 years and then be RFA...and that he couldn't do that with Anaheim.
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He could have signed a 2-year deal with Anaheim as well late in the season and became a RFA a year earlier.
 
Button had posted this:

@CraigJButton:
Nuance of Justin Schultz situation is birthday, July 6th. Current CBA, age for UFA status is determined as of June 30th of that year. Means Justin Schultz eligible in 2018 not 2017 for UFA. Signing team has rights for 6 years not 5 if nothing changes in new CBA.
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Nik? said:
Frank E said:
Anybody a little weary of a kid whose character is such that he's basically screwing over the team that drafted him to get some extra cash quick?

No?
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No. Schultz is under no obligation to the Ducks. His character is such that he is turning down one offer to listen to others he thinks are more attractive.

Now you, being the sort of kind and generous soul who'd never even think about looking out for your own interests in a business decision, probably find that incomprehensible but it's quite common these days.
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So that's really irrelevant to my post. 

I was questioning his character, you're suggesting his motives are what I'm suggesting his motives are.

If you're suggesting business decisions somehow supercede other life decisions in that executing them with selfish intentions makes them more or less acceptable...well hey, fine by me if that's your code.

I'm just saying that he found a way to abandon a team that had invested in him...and that, to me, may show some signs of questionable character to me.

I really don't feel that strongly about it, and I might argue that he could have every motivation to do it based on how Anaheim has treated him.  Maybe they've not done right by him.  I really don't know.

I still think it's worth questioning. 
 
Frank E said:
If you're suggesting business decisions somehow supercede other life decisions in that executing them with selfish intentions makes them more or less acceptable...well hey, fine by me if that's your code.
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I'm just saying how hilarious I find it that you of all people would say that someone making a self-interested decision would call their character into question.

Frank E said:
I'm just saying that he found a way to abandon a team that had invested in him...and that, to me, may show some signs of questionable character to me.
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Abandoned? Oh no! Do you suppose someone else will take them in?

Get real. The Ducks didn't pay Schultz one shiny red cent. None of their "investment" benefited him in any way. What the Ducks did is claim his negotiating rights under an agreement he was no party to. In your world that makes Schultz morally obligated to do business with the Ducks? Because the NHL decided his rights belonged to them?

The "way" he found was just not signing a contract and staying in school until his rights expired. He might have had no contact whatsoever with the Ducks. All Justin Schultz has done is decide that he'd rather decide for himself where to play instead of be subject to the draft which the draft allows.

Imagine you move into a neighbourhood and you get a knock on your door. It's your local pizza place here to inform you that all of the local restaurants got together and they got your exclusive delivery rights. We heard you like to order in a lot so they thought it'd a good choice for them. Sure, you lack choice in the matter but we're more than willing to sell you delicious food at a reasonable price which benefits us both. Don't like Pizza? Too bad. The Chinese place agreed to refuse you service until our rights expire. It's a system we agreed to so that no restaurant gets a big leg up over the other. Don't like it? Too bad. The previous residents agreed and your Neighbours love it.

I mean, you're beholden to them, right? Not ordering Pizza would be abandoning them, after all. They could have chosen your neighbour but they invested in you. To refuse would really betray poor character.
 
Bobby Ryan is mocking the whole Schultz thing on twitter:

Bobby Ryan said:
What time is "the decision" Justin Schultz edition on tomorrow? Want to make sure I tune in.
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Word is #Oilers and #Sens are final two teams for Justin Schultz

-- from Andy Strickland
 
I don't think he's going to sign in Ottawa - my source <Frank's wife> insists it's either the Canucks or Oilers. We will see if I keep her around...
 
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