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JVR

Nik the Trik said:
But on the plus side they'll get knocked out of the first round in 6 or 7 instead of 4 or 5. Strong messages for everyone!
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While I largely agree with the sentiment, from the team's perspective (i.e. the players who don't really read the game from the asset side of things), I think they'd play harder for a chance to make it past the 1st round, rather than nerf their chances of even getting into the playoffs, even though we were already pretty much in. Emotionally, I'm guessing the team is being told to keep their foot on the gas, rather than what St. Louis has done for the past two seasons -- it worked okay last season, and much less okay this season.
 
herman said:
While I largely agree with the sentiment, from the team's perspective (i.e. the players who don't really read the game from the asset side of things), I think they'd play harder for a chance to make it past the 1st round, rather than nerf their chances of even getting into the playoffs, even though we were already pretty much in. Emotionally, I'm guessing the team is being told to keep their foot on the gas, rather than what St. Louis has done for the past two seasons -- it worked okay last season, and much less okay this season.
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I'm sorry man, I've read that three or four times and I have no idea what it is you're saying.
 
Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
While I largely agree with the sentiment, from the team's perspective (i.e. the players who don't really read the game from the asset side of things), I think they'd play harder for a chance to make it past the 1st round, rather than nerf their chances of even getting into the playoffs, even though we were already pretty much in. Emotionally, I'm guessing the team is being told to keep their foot on the gas, rather than what St. Louis has done for the past two seasons -- it worked okay last season, and much less okay this season.
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I'm sorry man, I've read that three or four times and I have no idea what it is you're saying.
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It's okay. I don't care enough.
 
Offer him for a 1 x $8m deal.

The Leafs have got the money and (next season) the cap space, but can't commit dollars anywhere in his long-term ballpark beyond next season, so big dollar short term contract is something they should be looking at anyhow... And maybe JvR likes the team, thinks there's a good chance at a Cup here (there is!), bets on himself -- that he'll still be a guy who can get a 6x6 contract at age 30. Maybe next year's UFA class is better though.

(I was all for trading him, but since that ship sailed -- might as well get on-ice value for as long as you can)
 
mr grieves said:
Offer him for a 1 x $8m deal.

The Leafs have got the money and (next season) the cap space, but can't commit dollars anywhere in his long-term ballpark beyond next season, so big dollar short term contract is something they should be looking at anyhow... And maybe JvR likes the team, thinks there's a good chance at a Cup here (there is!), bets on himself -- that he'll still be a guy who can get a 6x6 contract at age 30. Maybe next year's UFA class is better though.

(I was all for trading him, but since that ship sailed -- might as well get on-ice value for as long as you can)
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Not gonna happen. Players value security as much as they value big pay days. JvR isn't going to take a little more in salary for a single season while also risking a career ending/limiting injury without some sort of future financial security. Guys that know they can get long/max-term deals don't generally sign 1 year deals (unless they really think that the team they're signing with is basically a Cup favourite - mostly because they won it that spring).
 
bustaheims said:
mr grieves said:
Offer him for a 1 x $8m deal.

The Leafs have got the money and (next season) the cap space, but can't commit dollars anywhere in his long-term ballpark beyond next season, so big dollar short term contract is something they should be looking at anyhow... And maybe JvR likes the team, thinks there's a good chance at a Cup here (there is!), bets on himself -- that he'll still be a guy who can get a 6x6 contract at age 30. Maybe next year's UFA class is better though.

(I was all for trading him, but since that ship sailed -- might as well get on-ice value for as long as you can)
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Not gonna happen. Players value security as much as they value big pay days. JvR isn't going to take a little more in salary for a single season while also risking a career ending/limiting injury without some sort of future financial security. Guys that know they can get long/max-term deals don't generally sign 1 year deals (unless they really think that the team they're signing with is basically a Cup favourite - mostly because they won it that spring).
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JVR will probably earn $8mil or close to it next season even on a long-term contract assuming it's front-loaded.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
mr grieves said:
Offer him for a 1 x $8m deal.

The Leafs have got the money and (next season) the cap space, but can't commit dollars anywhere in his long-term ballpark beyond next season, so big dollar short term contract is something they should be looking at anyhow... And maybe JvR likes the team, thinks there's a good chance at a Cup here (there is!), bets on himself -- that he'll still be a guy who can get a 6x6 contract at age 30. Maybe next year's UFA class is better though.

(I was all for trading him, but since that ship sailed -- might as well get on-ice value for as long as you can)
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Not gonna happen. Players value security as much as they value big pay days. JvR isn't going to take a little more in salary for a single season while also risking a career ending/limiting injury without some sort of future financial security. Guys that know they can get long/max-term deals don't generally sign 1 year deals (unless they really think that the team they're signing with is basically a Cup favourite - mostly because they won it that spring).
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JVR will probably earn $8mil or close to it next season even on a long-term contract assuming it's front-loaded.
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Someone will give him 6.5 x 7.  At that price...bye bye JVR.  That contract will be garbage by year 3
 
CarltonTheBear said:
JVR will probably earn $8mil or close to it next season even on a long-term contract assuming it's front-loaded.
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That's also likely. There's basically zero incentive for him to sign a one year deal.
 
Good insight on the JVR situation:

The best part about having a deep prospect pool is having flexibility within your cap and lineup. At any given time the Toronto Maple Leafs have a number of wing options who are ready to contribute at the NHL level. Having these wing options makes re-signing van Reimsdyk less necessary. Having flexible contracts and cap space is important if the Leafs want to achieve sustained success. Committing to JVR long term locks up cap room that could be used to resign our young stars or for acquiring a top four defensemen. JVR?s high shooting percentage, defensive troubles, and declining shot totals are strong reasons as to why the Leafs should not entertain signing him long term.

https://editorinleaf.com/2018/03/17/toronto-maple-leafs-van-riemsdyk-4
 
I think if we can sign him for 5-6 mil per on say a five yr plan, then we will keep him. Otherwise he can say goodbye to all the cups we will get in the next five to ten years, and go elsewhere for the cash.

I don't think we will be held hostage for players unless they are crazy good.
 
It's probably a bad sign going forward if a player wanting
to get fair market value is seen as holding the team hostage.
 
Nik the Trik said:
It's probably a bad sign going forward if a player wanting
to get fair market value is seen as holding the team hostage.
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I believe 5-6 is fair market value for him. Remember he is not a great two way player, and if he was, yes he could demand a better price.
I think he would be nuts to pass up on the leafs at this point.  A slight under payment for a few solid shots at a cup is IMO  the way to go.
 
nutman said:
I believe 5-6 is fair market value for him.
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If you think that's the upper limit on what he's going to get offered there's a lovely bridge in Brooklyn I'll be selling for a low, low price.

nutman said:
I think he would be nuts to pass up on the leafs at this point.  A slight under payment for a few solid shots at a cup is IMO  the way to go.
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I think we've finally pinpointed why your Hockey Agency never took off.
 
Honestly with the tear that he's on right now and the report that the cap could be as high as $82mil next season I wouldn't be completely shocked to see his AAV go up to $7mil on a long-term deal.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Honestly with the tear that he's on right now and the report that the cap could be as high as $82mil next season I wouldn't be completely shocked to see his AAV go up to $7mil on a long-term deal.
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The Devils could have in the neighbourhood of 30 million in cap space, no significant RFA's to re-sign and are desperately in need of some scoring.
 
Nik the Trik said:
nutman said:
I believe 5-6 is fair market value for him.
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If you think that's the upper limit on what he's going to get offered there's a lovely bridge in Brooklyn I'll be selling for a low, low price.

nutman said:
I think he would be nuts to pass up on the leafs at this point.  A slight under payment for a few solid shots at a cup is IMO  the way to go.
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I think we've finally pinpointed why your Hockey Agency never took off.
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I believe I said 5-6 is a fair payout for him from us. not once did I say his upper limit.  If you want to poke at someone learn to read first.  And what makes you think my agency never took off.  ;D
 
nutman said:
I believe I said 5-6 is a fair payout for him from us. not once did I say his upper limit.
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You might want to learn what "market value" is then. Which, admittedly, is pretty optimistic on my part.
 
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