Kadri and Franson Contract Updates

[bustaheims]

markhmasters: Nonis on Franson: 'We've made him an offer we want him to take & he's declined to take it'

markhmasters: Nonis: 'There's only so much we can do to get a deal done'; says Franson doesn't think offer is fair

markhmasters: Nonis stresses Leafs have a lot of d-men in camp

In other words, don't expect Franson to be signed any time soon. Sounds like they're still very far apart.

 

[Champ Kind]

Hate to harp on this but why o why did they give Fraser, Fransons cash..first bonehead move by Nonis

You're suggesting Franson was going to sign for $1.3M?  Or that the $400k 'overpayment' to Fraser is impacting Franson's negotiations.  Or that the Leafs should have let a perfectly good 6'th defenseman, who literally fell into their lap, walk?

While I do like Fraser,  I'm pretty sure the part in bold is exactly what's happening.  My guess is the Leafs are trying to get him for $2.0, and Franson is probably asking for $2.5 (if not more).  So that 400K could probably the difference between them.

Busta really summed it up above, Louis.  Franson's in a bit different spot than Kadri.  He's not coming off a 3-year ELC and is heading into his late 20's.  I would bet dollars to donuts that he's looking for $4M+ on a multi-year deal.

I'm starting to believe that, sooner or later, Franson will be traded.  I'm of mixed emotion, since I personally believe we saw the emergence of the player Cody Franson will become last year.  On the other hand, his skill set is replaceable and he'd likely garner some fine assets.  I'd have to believe it would be in the area of a 1'st pick and really good prospect.

 

[Deebo]

markhmasters: Nonis on Franson: 'We've made him an offer we want him to take & he's declined to take it'

markhmasters: Nonis: 'There's only so much we can do to get a deal done'; says Franson doesn't think offer is fair

markhmasters: Nonis stresses Leafs have a lot of d-men in camp

In other words, don't expect Franson to be signed any time soon. Sounds like they're still very far apart.

It'd be nice to have Franson, but IMO Kadri was the important one to get signed to start the year.

 

[louisstamos]

Hate to harp on this but why o why did they give Fraser, Fransons cash..first bonehead move by Nonis

You're suggesting Franson was going to sign for $1.3M?  Or that the $400k 'overpayment' to Fraser is impacting Franson's negotiations.  Or that the Leafs should have let a perfectly good 6'th defenseman, who literally fell into their lap, walk?

While I do like Fraser,  I'm pretty sure the part in bold is exactly what's happening.  My guess is the Leafs are trying to get him for $2.0, and Franson is probably asking for $2.5 (if not more).  So that 400K could probably the difference between them.

Busta really summed it up above, Louis.  Franson's in a bit different spot than Kadri.  He's not coming off a 3-year ELC and is heading into his late 20's.  I would bet dollars to donuts that he's looking for $4M+ on a multi-year deal.

I'm starting to believe that, sooner or later, Franson will be traded.  I'm of mixed emotion, since I personally believe we saw the emergence of the player Cody Franson will become last year.  On the other hand, his skill set is replaceable and he'd likely garner some fine assets.  I'd have to believe it would be in the area of a 1'st pick and really good prospect.

I think if Franson is looking for a deal over 3 years, he may have a point, as they'd be buying at least one of his UFA years (and as a UFA, I'd imagine he'd get north of $4mil).  I also know he declined salary arbitration because he wanted a multi-year deal.  But he's not really in the driver seat here, is he?  Knowing the Leafs are in a cap crunch, a team could easily put in an offer sheet for Franson for $3.3 mil over 2 or 3 years, and the compensation would only be a 2nd round pick.  But that hasn't happened, because 23 of the 30 teams in the league are in a cap crunch and have less than $5mil in cap space (and may still need to sign their own RFAs).

Franson has already acknowledged that he may have to take a 1 year deal.  He might be better off taking one, and if he can replicate the season he had last year, next summer with the cap going up (and only 1 year away from being a UFA), he might be able to cash in big time, and long term as well.  In a year like this, where so many serviceable NHL players couldn't get contracts, it may be best to maximize what you can get now and take your chances for next year.

 

[Tigger]

markhmasters: Nonis stresses Leafs have a lot of d-men in camp

In other words, don't expect Franson to be signed any time soon. Sounds like they're still very far apart.

It's almost as if not trading Liles gave them a deeper D group and a tiny bit of leverage here...

 

[Deebo]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

 

[bustaheims]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Brennan, as well. And, potentially someone like Blacker or, if the team wants to go in a little different direction, Granberg.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Bob McKenzie has just called Ranger a "top 4 freebie."  I'm guessing he's pretty much a lock based on the way others are talking about him.

 

[Frank E]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Brennan, as well. And, potentially someone like Blacker or, if the team wants to go in a little different direction, Granberg.

Yeah, Brennan...how did they acquire him?  FA?

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah, Brennan...how did they acquire him?  FA?

Yup.

 

[caver]

markhmasters: Nonis on Franson: 'We've made him an offer we want him to take & he's declined to take it'

markhmasters: Nonis: 'There's only so much we can do to get a deal done'; says Franson doesn't think offer is fair

markhmasters: Nonis stresses Leafs have a lot of d-men in camp

In other words, don't expect Franson to be signed any time soon. Sounds like they're still very far apart.

It'd be nice to have Franson, but IMO Kadri was the important one to get signed to start the year.

Agreed. Kadri's ceiling has yet to be seen. He could end up as the number one center. If Franson won't sign he could set up as an interesting trade.

 

[Frank E]

Yeah, Brennan...how did they acquire him?  FA?

Yup.

Well if his numbers are any indication, he looks to be a player.

 

[Kin]

It'd be interesting to get a better grasp on the numbers here because I do sort of feel that Franson's season earned him a pretty good raise but on the other hand I would completely understand MLSE only wanting to sign a one or two year deal.

 

[Redleaf]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Brennan, as well. And, potentially someone like Blacker or, if the team wants to go in a little different direction, Granberg.

Granberg did not have a good rookie tournament. I counted 3 blatant giveaways right in front of his goalie. Probably just adjusting to the smaller rink, but he doesn't look ready to step in quite yet.

 

[Corn Flake]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Brennan, as well. And, potentially someone like Blacker or, if the team wants to go in a little different direction, Granberg.

Granberg did not have a good rookie tournament. I counted 3 blatant giveaways right in front of his goalie. Probably just adjusting to the smaller rink, but he doesn't look ready to step in quite yet.

Yeah I'm going through the games now on PVR and Granberg looks very very raw. You can see the skill is there and obviously the size, but he has a looooong way to go before he's NHL ready.

 

[bustaheims]

Granberg did not have a good rookie tournament. I counted 3 blatant giveaways right in front of his goalie. Probably just adjusting to the smaller rink, but he doesn't look ready to step in quite yet.

I wouldn't use the rookie tournament as a basis for much, to be honest - especially for a guy who is coming over from a men's league rather than junior. He could very well look better against the more polished competition, because it's more in-line with what he's used to.

 

[Bender]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Brennan, as well. And, potentially someone like Blacker or, if the team wants to go in a little different direction, Granberg.

Granberg did not have a good rookie tournament. I counted 3 blatant giveaways right in front of his goalie. Probably just adjusting to the smaller rink, but he doesn't look ready to step in quite yet.

Yeah I'm going through the games now on PVR and Granberg looks very very raw. You can see the skill is there and obviously the size, but he has a looooong way to go before he's NHL ready.

Probably the wrong thread for this, but which prospects stood out for you?

 

[Bill_Berg]

It'd be interesting to get a better grasp on the numbers here because I do sort of feel that Franson's season earned him a pretty good raise but on the other hand I would completely understand MLSE only wanting to sign a one or two year deal.

Franson has been signing these short, bridge-like contracts for a while now and is putting his foot down this time.

He had his entry level contract, then in 2010 a 2-year 1.6 mill contract, and in 2012 a 1-year 1.2 million contract. After three contracts, his entry level contract is the longest one.

Can't wait to see what happens.

 

[Redleaf]

Ranger, Reilly and Percy are 3 others who could impress enough in camp to make Franson's hold out even less impactful.

Brennan, as well. And, potentially someone like Blacker or, if the team wants to go in a little different direction, Granberg.

Granberg did not have a good rookie tournament. I counted 3 blatant giveaways right in front of his goalie. Probably just adjusting to the smaller rink, but he doesn't look ready to step in quite yet.

Yeah I'm going through the games now on PVR and Granberg looks very very raw. You can see the skill is there and obviously the size, but he has a looooong way to go before he's NHL ready.

Probably the wrong thread for this, but which prospects stood out for you?

MacWilliam looked solid.

 

[Kin]

It'd be interesting to get a better grasp on the numbers here because I do sort of feel that Franson's season earned him a pretty good raise but on the other hand I would completely understand MLSE only wanting to sign a one or two year deal.

Franson has been signing these short, bridge-like contracts for a while now and is putting his foot down this time.

He had his entry level contract, then in 2010 a 2-year 1.6 mill contract, and in 2012 a 1-year 1.2 million contract. After three contracts, his entry level contract is the longest one.

Can't wait to see what happens.

Sure, but I think it's a little misleading to call his other contracts bridge deals when he's never really played like he deserved a long term extension until this year. He was a marginal player until last year and signed deals that reflect that.