Kadri did not kneed this

[ZBBM]

He didn't throw him under the bus.  He said he has more high-end skill, and Frattin is probably more of a pure shooter, who will complement that with other responsibilities.

I have to defend Wilson on this one.  Kadri to me will be a distributor, not a scorer.  I think he's a natural center and just has to get his defensive game up to snuff so he can play that position responsibly.  Lots of work for him to do, for sure. but he should not be on the wing.

 

[TML fan]

Aside from playing centre all through junior (which a lot of NHL calibre players do) I don't think Kadri has demonstrated anything to indicate that he's best suited to play centre. For one thing, he's not very good at faceoffs, which is a pretty key component to being a centre in the NHL. He's also not very defensively responsible and turns the puck over a lot.

I think Kadri has the ability to distribute the puck from the boards just as well as he does from the middle of the ice.

 

[cw]

He didn't throw him under the bus.  He said he has more high-end skill, and Frattin is probably more of a pure shooter, who will complement that with other responsibilities.

I have to defend Wilson on this one.  Kadri to me will be a distributor, not a scorer.  I think he's a natural center and just has to get his defensive game up to snuff so he can play that position responsibly.  Lots of work for him to do, for sure. but he should not be on the wing.

I agree. Offensively, some of the Kami-Kadri moves are much more likely to work because the dman can't steer him into the boards and Kadri has the option of going either side of the dman when he's at center. Right now, he seems caught trying moves that worked in junior as a center that are not as frequently successful on a wing because of the basic lack of real estate - and in his case relative to the NHL, his lack of size and strength.

He's going through quite an adjustment.

 

[lamajama]

I'm not sure why you're reading that from their comments. I think they've pretty honest with their assessment of him and careful not to heap on too many expectations.

Well I think everyone can safely agree that if it's one thing Wilson et al have not done it's heap on too many expectations. Everytime I turn around the kid's being doused with water.

 

[Sudafederov]

He didn't throw him under the bus.  He said he has more high-end skill, and Frattin is probably more of a pure shooter, who will complement that with other responsibilities.

I have to defend Wilson on this one.  Kadri to me will be a distributor, not a scorer.  I think he's a natural center and just has to get his defensive game up to snuff so he can play that position responsibly.  Lots of work for him to do, for sure. but he should not be on the wing.

Watching him in Juniors, he seems to have a problem with one timers too. 

One timers are an important part of a complete breakfast if you are going to play wing.

 

[Bender]

He didn't throw him under the bus.  He said he has more high-end skill, and Frattin is probably more of a pure shooter, who will complement that with other responsibilities.

I have to defend Wilson on this one.  Kadri to me will be a distributor, not a scorer.  I think he's a natural center and just has to get his defensive game up to snuff so he can play that position responsibly.  Lots of work for him to do, for sure. but he should not be on the wing.

I agree. Offensively, some of the Kami-Kadri moves are much more likely to work because the dman can't steer him into the boards and Kadri has the option of going either side of the dman when he's at center. Right now, he seems caught trying moves that worked in junior as a center that are not as frequently successful on a wing because of the basic lack of real estate - and in his case relative to the NHL, his lack of size and strength.

He's going through quite an adjustment.

If they drafted him as a centre why wouldn't they keep him at centre, the position he's had most success with?

 

[maplesyrup]

He didn't throw him under the bus.  He said he has more high-end skill, and Frattin is probably more of a pure shooter, who will complement that with other responsibilities.

I have to defend Wilson on this one.  Kadri to me will be a distributor, not a scorer.  I think he's a natural center and just has to get his defensive game up to snuff so he can play that position responsibly.  Lots of work for him to do, for sure. but he should not be on the wing.

I agree. Offensively, some of the Kami-Kadri moves are much more likely to work because the dman can't steer him into the boards and Kadri has the option of going either side of the dman when he's at center. Right now, he seems caught trying moves that worked in junior as a center that are not as frequently successful on a wing because of the basic lack of real estate - and in his case relative to the NHL, his lack of size and strength.

He's going through quite an adjustment.

If they drafted him as a centre why wouldn't they keep him at centre, the position he's had most success with?

OMG... Didn't we have this discussion re. Steen?

 

[TML fan]

He didn't throw him under the bus.  He said he has more high-end skill, and Frattin is probably more of a pure shooter, who will complement that with other responsibilities.

I have to defend Wilson on this one.  Kadri to me will be a distributor, not a scorer.  I think he's a natural center and just has to get his defensive game up to snuff so he can play that position responsibly.  Lots of work for him to do, for sure. but he should not be on the wing.

I agree. Offensively, some of the Kami-Kadri moves are much more likely to work because the dman can't steer him into the boards and Kadri has the option of going either side of the dman when he's at center. Right now, he seems caught trying moves that worked in junior as a center that are not as frequently successful on a wing because of the basic lack of real estate - and in his case relative to the NHL, his lack of size and strength.

He's going through quite an adjustment.

If they drafted him as a centre why wouldn't they keep him at centre, the position he's had most success with?

For the same reason they don't ask Luke Schenn to run the powerplay and Phil Kessel to fight.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If they drafted him as a centre why wouldn't they keep him at centre, the position he's had most success with?

For the same reason they don't ask Luke Schenn to run the powerplay and Phil Kessel to fight.

Not really. Schenn has never had success in running the powerplay, even in junior. Ditto with Kessel and fighting.

 

[TML fan]

If they drafted him as a centre why wouldn't they keep him at centre, the position he's had most success with?

For the same reason they don't ask Luke Schenn to run the powerplay and Phil Kessel to fight.

Not really. Schenn has never had success in running the powerplay, even in junior. Ditto with Kessel and fighting.

While true, that wasn't really the point. Those are roles that those players are not suited for. The reason Kadri is being pushed to the wing is because he hasn't demonstrated that he is capable of playing centre at this level. They are trying to put him in a position where he will have the best chance at success.

Forget junior. That is over for Kadri. The sooner he realizes that, the sooner he'll be an every day NHL player.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If they drafted him as a centre why wouldn't they keep him at centre, the position he's had most success with?

For the same reason they don't ask Luke Schenn to run the powerplay and Phil Kessel to fight.

Not really. Schenn has never had success in running the powerplay, even in junior. Ditto with Kessel and fighting.

While true, that wasn't really the point. Those are roles that those players are not suited for. The reason Kadri is being pushed to the wing is because he hasn't demonstrated that he is capable of playing centre at this level. They are trying to put him in a position where he will have the best chance at success.

Forget junior. That is over for Kadri. The sooner he realizes that, the sooner he'll be an every day NHL player.

Now we're talking. Agreed.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

OMG... Didn't we have this discussion re. Steen?

Funny you mention that. Probably the biggest problem I had with Maurice was his insistence to keep Steen on the 3rd line. He tried him with Sundin for a short period and had moderate success, but he was 100% dedicated to turning him into a 3rd line player. I always knew he was a good two-way player, but still thought he had a higher offensive upside than Maurice seemed to think.

In the end, that might have been the best thing to happen to Steen. Maybe coaches are right sometimes after all.

 

[Bender]

OMG... Didn't we have this discussion re. Steen?

Funny you mention that. Probably the biggest problem I had with Maurice was his insistence to keep Steen on the 3rd line. He tried him with Sundin for a short period and had moderate success, but he was 100% dedicated to turning him into a 3rd line player. I always knew he was a good two-way player, but still thought he had a higher offensive upside than Maurice seemed to think.

In the end, that might have been the best thing to happen to Steen. Maybe coaches are right sometimes after all.

Forgive my denseness, but Steen had a career year with the Blues. If anything, it signals to me that we had it wrong or were impatient.

With Kadri I don't think we know he's not suited for centre at the NHL level. To me it makes sense that one thing precedes the other: If you are a good junior Centreman, your knowledge and skill should help you get to the next level. I can't really corroborate this, but it's my understanding that if you're groomed for a position you're rarely switched unless there's a distinct carry over of skill: i.e. Wendel Clark.

Right now I can't imagine Kadri being a better winger than a centre, and I don't really see why one would think he would make a better winger. What's some of the criteria we should use as evaluation?

 

[Kin]

Forgive my denseness, but Steen had a career year with the Blues. If anything, it signals to me that we had it wrong or were impatient.

I think the point there is that Steen blossomed as a good two-way player who chips in offensively and defensively.

With Kadri I don't think we know he's not suited for centre at the NHL level. To me it makes sense that one thing precedes the other: If you are a good junior Centreman, your knowledge and skill should help you get to the next level. I can't really corroborate this, but it's my understanding that if you're groomed for a position you're rarely switched unless there's a distinct carry over of skill: i.e. Wendel Clark.

I think that's true for forward/defense but I always operated under the assumption that a lot of forwards come into the league as centre but eventually wind up on the wing.

Right now I can't imagine Kadri being a better winger than a centre, and I don't really see why one would think he would make a better winger. What's some of the criteria we should use as evaluation?

I'd imagine face-offs/defense is a pretty big component of it, something that Kadri's struggled with.