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Kadri fined for diving

CarltonTheBear

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His 5th offence?! Why didn't we hear about any of the other ones?

Sorry, the press release was strangely worded. He's been fined a total of $5k this season, so he just received his 3rd citation.
 
Just watched the most recent Calgary incident and I think Kadri embellished the slash.

I think the fine was justified.
 
Video of the OTT and CGY incidents: https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-has-been-fined-5000/t-277350912/c-43148603

The Calgary one is the only one where he was actually given an embellishment penalty, it's been talked about enough. His stick went up in the air, if that's embellishment sure, whatever. I don't get the Ottawa one though. He could have just simply lost balance, the game is played on skates and ice you know. You basically need to be reading his mind to know if that was a dive or not, and if the league had that power then they should probably be putting it to better use.
 
I'm going to guess that for a lot of people drawing a lot of penalties  goes hand in hand with embellishment regardless of whether or not it's actually true.
 
Babcock criticizes the officials twice in a month and suddenly Kadri in his 6th year of professional hockey playing the exact same style gets dinged three times.  I'm content with my tinfoil hat but somethings rotten in Denmark.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Video of the OTT and CGY incidents: https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-has-been-fined-5000/t-277350912/c-43148603

The Calgary one is the only one where he was actually given an embellishment penalty, it's been talked about enough. His stick went up in the air, if that's embellishment sure, whatever. I don't get the Ottawa one though. He could have just simply lost balance, the game is played on skates and ice you know. You basically need to be reading his mind to know if that was a dive or not, and if the league had that power then they should probably be putting it to better use.
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That Calgary one is pretty blatant. I can understand the NHL wanting to cut that out. I would probably sit my kid down and talk to her if she did that on the ice.

In the case of the Ottawa one, he pulls the stick into his body and then does a triple salchow with a double toe loop to sell it. Come on man. The game is played on ice with skates but that was ridiculous. He hooked himself using another players stick.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Video of the OTT and CGY incidents: https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-has-been-fined-5000/t-277350912/c-43148603

The Calgary one is the only one where he was actually given an embellishment penalty, it's been talked about enough. His stick went up in the air, if that's embellishment sure, whatever. I don't get the Ottawa one though. He could have just simply lost balance, the game is played on skates and ice you know. You basically need to be reading his mind to know if that was a dive or not, and if the league had that power then they should probably be putting it to better use.
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That Calgary one is pretty blatant. I can understand the NHL wanting to cut that out. I would probably sit my kid down and talk to her if she did that on the ice.

In the case of the Ottawa one, he pulls the stick into his body and then does a triple salchow with a double toe loop to sell it. Come on man. The game is played on ice with skates but that was ridiculous. He hooked himself using another players stick.
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It's amusing to me that you are grossly embellishing the events of the Ottawa scenario to justify that he is embellishing.
 
Yakupov and Hanzal were also fined for diving today. Here's their videos:

https://www.nhl.com/video/yakupov-has-been-fined-2000/t-277350912/c-43148503
https://www.nhl.com/video/hanzal-has-been-fined-2000/t-277350912/c-43148703

Those are dives.
 
Listen, I understand that not everybody agrees with me in regards to diving vs. embellishment. That's fine. The NHL clearly doesn't either if that makes you feel any better. I just don't view what Kadri does as a major problem in the NHL. Not even close. But the league is treating it like one. Violating spearing somebody in the groin = a few embellishment violations in the NHL's eyes.
 
The Kadri/Jooris/Gaudreau situation actually exemplifies this the best. Kadri laid a clean hit on Gaudreau. Both Flames retaliated to that clean hit with slashes, and Kadri reacting flagrantly to one of those slashes. Then Jooris attempted to fight Kadri, an unwilling/defenceless player, because of that clean hit. Something players constantly do after one of their teammates are on the opposite end of a big and completely legal body check.

Only one player received some sort of supplementary discipline there.
 
There are definitely people who disagree with Carlton's assessment (NHL operations, for one). I am not one of them.

https://www.nhl.com/video/kadri-has-been-fined-5000/t-277350912/c-43148603

I watched the video a few times.
The first infraction he fights off two checks to go for the puck but then falls when he gets spun off an edge with a hook while turning back for the puck. No call even though the refs are supposed to be calling sticks in the body parallel to the ice impeding forward momentum. That's fine. Embellishment? Dive? I don't see it.

You know how I felt about the Gaudreau/Jooris play.

No supplemental discipline for the couple of games after where Kadri gets railroaded into the boards or cross-checked repeatedly with no call though. Because Kadri.
 
"I think you can make a penalty more obvious but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a penalty," said Kadri. "Diving and making something a little more obvious is two different things."  src

That's called embellishment, Kadri, and that's the problem...  They both got penalized.  You embellished, so you did too.
 
AvroArrow said:
"I think you can make a penalty more obvious but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a penalty," said Kadri. "Diving and making something a little more obvious is two different things."  src

That's called embellishment, Kadri, and that's the problem...  They both got penalized.  You embellished, so you did too.
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Babcock even suggests that he spoke to Kadri about it.

I like to think that he'll smarten up a bit there.  He's elusive enough to draw a considerable amount of penalties without the embellishment. 
 
Frank E said:
I like to think that he'll smarten up a bit there.  He's elusive enough to draw a considerable amount of penalties without the embellishment.
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Agree 100%. Take away the embellishment and he's still leading the league in legitimately drawn penalties.
 
I've been generally supportive of the view that he's been wronged. But after watching those, I feel he's embellishing. He's not out right faking like the Yakupov and Hanzal ones, but he's definitely adding something to it. In Kadri's case, at least they're legit penalties that he's reacting too.

It might be the camera angle, but I can't figure what makes his leg jump into the air on the Ott one. And for the Cgy one, it's the stick throwing that clinches it for me.
 
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