Kadri for Berglund?

[Champ Kind]

I don't think it's even really a rumour.  Here's Kypreos' quote:

So the OP stated that:

Kyper says Leafs have enquired on Berglund for Kadri
12:31pm - 18 Jun 14

Quite a bit different than - and quite a reach from - the transcript.

 

[bustaheims]

Berglund's one of those guys that you feel you're always just waiting for him to put everything together. At this point, 6 seasons into his career, that seems unlikely to happen on any sort of sustainable basis. He'd be a nice pick up, but not for Kadri.

 

[2badknees]

Yeah, I think perhaps the "1 for 1" rumor has been confused in translation.

Assuming it wasn't, if Berglund is all that can be gotten for Kadri, they're better of keeping him. Kadri still has at least potential to be top 6 talent - they should expect the same potential back, or it was a wasted draft pick and investment in development.

 

[mr grieves]

I think it's likely Kadri tops out at what he is right now, a .60 PPG kind of player, which Berglund has been a couple times before too.  So, at best, I think it would be a lateral move if you don't factor in their respective ages but once you do it wouldn't make sense (at least not as a 1 for 1).

Why do you think so? I find it really hard to predict what Kadri might do in the future.

His half season was a lucky one (14% on-ice SH%), and this one was nearer the league average (~8.5%). This season, he bounced around a lot and his performance differed pretty widely. With Kessel & JvR (~25% of Kadri's ES minutes), the line produced around .935 GF20 (down from the 1+ they enjoyed with Bozak). With Clarkson on the second line (~25% of season), it was an abysmal .5-something. When Raymond or Kulemin were there (~50% of season), it was more like .875 GF20. That he bounced around so much this season, and the body of work overall is so small, leaves me at a loss trying to guess how he'll turn out.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I think it's likely Kadri tops out at what he is right now, a .60 PPG kind of player, which Berglund has been a couple times before too.  So, at best, I think it would be a lateral move if you don't factor in their respective ages but once you do it wouldn't make sense (at least not as a 1 for 1).

Why do you think so? I find it really hard to predict what Kadri might do in the future.

His half season was a lucky one (14% on-ice SH%), and this one was nearer the league average (~8.5%). This season, he bounced around a lot and his performance differed pretty widely. With Kessel & JvR (~25% of Kadri's ES minutes), the line produced around .935 GF20 (down from the 1+ they enjoyed with Bozak). With Clarkson on the second line (~25% of season), it was an abysmal .5-something. When Raymond or Kulemin were there (~50% of season), it was more like .875 GF20. That he bounced around so much this season, and the body of work overall is so small, leaves me at a loss trying to guess how he'll turn out.

Well it's impossible to really say, but I'm basing it off scouting reports of Kadri from when he was drafted plus what I've seen of him.  I don't think he's really shown that elite level, but maybe he could with consistent 1st line wingers.

 

[losveratos]

If it's size the Leafs want, Berglund has more. Does he also play a good two way game?

Berglund has more size, but Kadri is definitely more physical so I'm not sure that does much for them. Defensively he's probably slightly above average but it's not a big enough gap to make up for the difference offensively.

I think it's likely Kadri tops out at what he is right now, a .60 PPG kind of player, which Berglund has been a couple times before too.  So, at best, I think it would be a lateral move if you don't factor in their respective ages but once you do it wouldn't make sense (at least not as a 1 for 1).

Perhaps I'm not reading this properly... But Berglund has done that once. 6 years ago. Even last year when Kadri was getting bounced around all over the place he scored at a higher rate than Berglunds best year and he's significantly younger while doing it.

If there's a trade here I really can't see it a straight swap. There's got to be a pretty decent + coming back in my opinion.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I keep wondering why we hear Kadri rumours all the time, you don't usually hear about talented young players being shopped all the time. You shouldn't trade 50 point players of his caliber, seemingly on the verge of breaking out in the NHL and coming into their prime years.

I did however see that blurb today suggesting that the reason is that he would be part of a chemistry change, if he was to be moved. Has anybody ever heard that he was a problem in the dressing room? I guess that could mean a lot of things, but that's what was written.

Kyper said it on Prime Time Sports?

Mike Augello
Kypreos reported on FAN 590?s Prime Time Sports Tuesday that the Leafs are shopping the 23-year-old Kadri as part of their desire to change the chemistry in their locker room.

 

[mr grieves]

I did however see that blurb today suggesting that the reason is that he would be part of a chemistry change, if he was to be moved. Has anybody ever heard that he was a problem in the dressing room? I guess that could mean a lot of things, but that's what was written.

"Chemistry change." It sounds like alchemy. I wonder: if they were as intent on fixing what's on the ice as they are on what's in the dressing room, would this be a 22nd place team? 

 

[caver]

Man, I hope they don't make huge changes just to build a "Carlyle" team...

 

[bustaheims]

Ahh, yes, the good old "chemistry in the room" BS as justification for shopping a young player instead of changing the leadership group.

 

[jdh1]

I keep wondering why we hear Kadri rumours all the time, you don't usually hear about talented young players being shopped all the time. You shouldn't trade 50 point players of his caliber, seemingly on the verge of breaking out in the NHL and coming into their prime years.

I did however see that blurb today suggesting that the reason is that he would be part of a chemistry change, if he was to be moved. Has anybody ever heard that he was a problem in the dressing room? I guess that could mean a lot of things, but that's what was written.

Kyper said it on Prime Time Sports?

Mike Augello
Kypreos reported on FAN 590?s Prime Time Sports Tuesday that the Leafs are shopping the 23-year-old Kadri as part of their desire to change the chemistry in their locker room.

The feeling I get about him on the ice action,He comes across a bit like ,I'm the guy,watch me.

 

[L K]

Ahh, yes, the good old "chemistry in the room" BS as justification for shopping a young player instead of changing the leadership group.

To be fair, every time Phaneuf tried to get the team pumped up with some sick Miley Cyrus tunes, Kadri kept listening to his own music.  Dressing room cancer.  Also, he makes faces on the bench.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Ahh, yes, the good old "chemistry in the room" BS as justification for shopping a young player instead of changing the leadership group.

To be fair, every time Phaneuf tried to get the team pumped up with some sick Miley Cyrus tunes, Kadri kept listening to his own music.  Dressing room cancer.  Also, he makes faces on the bench.

You're thinking of Bozak, the lover of the Miley.

 

[moon111]

Kadri had 3X the ice-time as Holland.  Can you compare Holland to Kadri then?  Do you play them both?  A real weakness in my mind was playing McClement 277 minutes on the penalty-kill. (As well as using Phaneuf and Gunnarsson so much as well.)  I would rather have someone I could put on the 3rd line, kill penalties, and shut-down the opposition then Kadri.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Perspective on Kadri from outside Toronto...

I have in-laws who speak Italian. I do not speak Italian. If I enter a room and they begin speaking Italian I will stare blankly until the next phrase I can understand is uttered.

I feel the same when trying to figure out what the Toronto Maple Leafs mean when they are talking about Nazem Kadri. They seemingly hate Kadri to the very core of his soul, but it doesn't really make any sense. You can't really help but stare blankly in the abyss when the Leafs talk about him.

The Dallas Stars would have to be interested in Kadri should the Leafs wish to move him. The way they talk about him makes it pretty apparent he can be had.

In December, Randy Carlyle threatened to demote Kadri to the fhird line behind Peter Holland.

A Randy Carlyle statement from January:

    "We think Kadri, Lupul and Clarkson has been a real strong force for us for the last while and there's no reason to change that," Carlyle said. "I think they should be challenging (the Bozak line) for offensive minutes.

Also in January, Dave Nonis basically told the world Kadri is available for trade. Via theleafsnation:

    "I think it's easy to say that Kadri is struggling but he's having a decent year. It's not like he's not putting up points. Last year he was producing against other teams' 2nd and 3rd lines. This year he is playing against better players ? Kadri and (Jake) Gardiner's names are brought up quite a bit, so is (Morgan) Rielly's. We'd be willing to trade Kadri. There's a difference between willing to and trying to. If the right deal comes up we would do it."