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Knies extended [6 years, $7.75mil AAV]

CarltonTheBear said:
I think Domi's at market. Again I've talked about him not being a great fit here but that's not really for cap reasons. He just doesn't really have anywhere to hide here like he would on other teams.

OEL I'd say is market at best right now. I mean soon to be 34-year old 3rd pairing guy at $3.5mil.

Genuinely unsure what would lead anyone to think that Jarnkrok is anything but over priced at this point. Maybe he has a bounce back season but if he was a UFA right now he's not getting over $2mil.
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I guess I have higher hopes for Jarnkrok's regular season standard reliability and utility, but nevertheless, your points make sense.

All our overpaid guys are under 3M, so the percentage overpaid is quite high, but not insurmountable, and certainly not outside the realm of trading them out for pucks n' stuff.
 
Zee said:
That's 2 contacts now where it came in under the value I thought would happen. Why do I get the feeling that Dubas would have given Knies 10.5 million?
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Must be a you thing, since the closest of any of the stars to Knies’ production on ELC would be Nylander and he had a 6.9m cap hit.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Genuinely unsure what would lead anyone to think that Jarnkrok is anything but over priced at this point. Maybe he has a bounce back season but if he was a UFA right now he's not getting over $2mil.
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With the way I expect the market to go, I wouldn't be shocked if he did get $2M+. If Frederic gets close to $4M, a healthy Jarnkrok is a ~$2M player - even if he only produces around his average season.
 
Nylander equivalent contract today would be 8.36M AAV, and Knies under-performed Nylander a notch or two in raw production.

7.75 M is nice, but not an egregious discount; just clearly not a gouge.

Both Tavares and Knies' negotiations had some late anchoring numbers (4x5M, 5x7/8x10) come through the rumour/leak line, and they snuggled underneath those comfortably to make the players and team look good.
 
Totally fair points on the Nylander vs Knies second contract debate. The big difference is timing, Nylander signed in a flat-cap world, while Knies will be negotiating in a rising one. That alone makes a huge difference. The upcoming cap jump should make his future number much easier to stomach, especially when you compare it to how tight things felt after the Big 3 signed. Context matters, and the financial landscape shifting helps frame everything in a more manageable light.
 
Zee said:
Totally fair points on the Nylander vs Knies second contract debate. The big difference is timing, Nylander signed in a flat-cap world, while Knies will be negotiating in a rising one. That alone makes a huge difference. The upcoming cap jump should make his future number much easier to stomach, especially when you compare it to how tight things felt after the Big 3 signed. Context matters, and the financial landscape shifting helps frame everything in a more manageable light.
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Well, at the time Nylander signed -- well, all of them signed -- it was a rising cap world. This cap hit looks fine to me though; no discount, no gouge (i.e. more Nyander than Marner) sums it up for me.
 
It wasn't a flat cap world when Nylander signed in 2018, no one had any idea they would be in a flat cap world was coming. The cap had increased from 75 to 79.5 that season.
 
I suspect this gets officialized once the Marner sign-and-trade is sorted out, so the Leafs have enough cap room for whatever that number is and any other trade irons in the fire at the moment.
 
bustaheims said:
With the way I expect the market to go, I wouldn't be shocked if he did get $2M+. If Frederic gets close to $4M, a healthy Jarnkrok is a ~$2M player - even if he only produces around his average season.
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He has an awful track record in the playoffs though....
 
Deebo said:
It wasn't a flat cap world when Nylander signed in 2018, no one had any idea they would be in a flat cap world was coming. The cap had increased from 75 to 79.5 that season.
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It became a flat cap world shortly thereafter and Nylander's contract ended up being better value than we realized by the end though.
 
Bender said:
I don't really recall him doing much of anything useful in the playoffs.
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That’s true of lots of role players. I’m not advocating for the Leafs to hold on to him, just that he’d get similar money as a UFA in the current market.
 
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