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LAK's Voynov suspended over domestic violence charge

CarltonTheBear said:
This is absurd:

The Los Angeles Kings will not have enough cap space to recall a defenseman from AHL-Manchester should one be needed in place of Robyn Regehr, who left practice earlier today with an undisclosed injury.

According to Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations and Legal Affairs Jeff Solomon, the Kings will be $160 short of the necessary cap space to be able to recall a player with a league-minimum salary. Had the game against Vancouver taken place on Sunday, the Kings would have had enough cap space to recall a player, as a team?s cap space grows daily.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2014/11/07/cap-crunch-could-see-kings-play-short-again/
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I really don't understand this.  Voynov gets suspended under the rule of being a disgusting person and he counts against the cap.  Carter Ashton gets suspended for breaking a rule in the CBA and the Leafs get cap relief.
 
L K said:
I really don't understand this.  Voynov gets suspended under the rule of being a disgusting person and he counts against the cap.  Carter Ashton gets suspended for breaking a rule in the CBA and the Leafs get cap relief.
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One is suspended with pay, the other without. One is suspended because of unproven allegations (no charges laid at this point), the other for a proven violation.

I do agree that's it's kind of silly the Kings don't get some sort of allowance here, though. Let them call up a guy at near league minimum and have him not count against the cap until they can get under it. Teams shouldn't be forced to play with an incomplete roster because of suspensions for off-ice issues.
 
bustaheims said:
I do agree that's it's kind of silly the Kings don't get some sort of allowance here, though. Let them call up a guy at near league minimum and have him not count against the cap until they can get under it. Teams shouldn't be forced to play with an incomplete roster because of suspensions for off-ice issues.
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They should have the option of calling up a guy now and then incurring a penalty of say double what they went over when they do have the cap room.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
They should have the option of calling up a guy now and then incurring a penalty of say double what they went over when they do have the cap room.
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Or, just making sure things balance out by the end of the season. I think, with minor cap violations like this, the league should let it slide. Anything less than, say, $2500 in cap dollars on short-term issues shouldn't be handled this strictly.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
They should have the option of calling up a guy now and then incurring a penalty of say double what they went over when they do have the cap room.
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Or, just making sure things balance out by the end of the season. I think, with minor cap violations like this, the league should let it slide. Anything less than, say, $2500 in cap dollars on short-term issues shouldn't be handled this strictly.
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That's a slippery slope though, and I can't blame the NHL for sticking to its guns on the cap....I do however have an issue with the suspended Kings player having a cap charge for what he may or may not have done that's completely unrelated to the team.
 
Frank E said:
That's a slippery slope though, and I can't blame the NHL for sticking to its guns on the cap....I do however have an issue with the suspended Kings player having a cap charge for what he may or may not have done that's completely unrelated to the team.
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It's only a slippery slope if you don't put the policy into writing or you have vagueness in the way it's stated. That being said, I agree that players suspended for off-ice issues shouldn't count against the cap.
 
helenenothelen: From release by LA County Dist. Atty office: Voynov faces one felony count of corporal injury to spouse with great bodily injury.

mirtle: Kings may not have Voynov all year at this rate. Big hole to fill given he was playing 23+ minutes a game.
 
Now that Voynov's finally been charged with something the NHL has allowed the Kings to place Voynov on LTIR:

The National Hockey League announced today that the existing terms of its suspension of Los Angeles Kings' Player Slava Voynov will be continued indefinitely.

However, in light of the uncertain and potentially extended period of time that the legal process may entail, the NHL and NHLPA have agreed to permit the Kings to replace Mr. Voynov?s Salary and Bonuses pursuant to the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception under the terms of the NHL/NHLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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I like how the league and PA change the rules on the cba for one team but not another. Shows how mickey mouse the league has become.
Let's look at some examples.
Voynov going on LTIR when he isn't even injured and everyone knows it so the Kings can fill their roster.
The league gives the Devils their draft pick back after they took it away over the whole Kovalchuk deal.
Then you have Pronger NOT able to retire without having the Flyers penalized because it's an over 35yr old contract. Everyone knows he is not going to play again do to injury. And he will be working for the NHL.  On top of that, he could be in the HHOF next year and still be on a roster so to speak.
 
oldman said:
I like how the league and PA change the rules on the cba for one team but not another. Shows how mickey mouse the league has become.
Let's look at some examples.
Voynov going on LTIR when he isn't even injured and everyone knows it so the Kings can fill their roster.
The league gives the Devils their draft pick back after they took it away over the whole Kovalchuk deal.
Then you have Pronger NOT able to retire without having the Flyers penalized because it's an over 35yr old contract. Everyone knows he is not going to play again do to injury. And he will be working for the NHL.  On top of that, he could be in the HHOF next year and still be on a roster so to speak.
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It's the LTI Exception...Not LTI Reserve...And from what I read, it's part of the CBA.
 
The only problem I have is the NJD's draft pick.I have no problem with the Pronger thing or the others you mention. Pronger hasn't retired; he's not playing due to injury. The intention behind those 35 year + contracts was to discourage cap circumvention by tacking on years where it wasn't reasonably expected the player would actually play.
 
Bullfrog said:
The intention behind those 35 year + contracts was to discourage cap circumvention by tacking on years where it wasn't reasonably expected the player would actually play.
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You haven't looked at Pronger's contract details recently have you?
 
I probably wasn't clear. I know his contract had "false" years added. However, the cap circumvention comes into play when he voluntarily retires before those years. I'm ok with him not counting against the cap because I believe he's out due to legit injury.
 
Bullfrog said:
I probably wasn't clear. I know his contract had "false" years added. However, the cap circumvention comes into play when he voluntarily retires before those years. I'm ok with him not counting against the cap because I believe he's out due to legit injury.
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Yeah, but it goes back to why some people are mad about this particular situation. When that contract was signed everybody laughed at the Flyers for signing Pronger to a 35+ contract like that and said they'd be screwed with a cap hit once he retires unless of course they get lucky enough to be able to stash him on LTIR. I'm sure Philly would have loved to have him for a couple more healthy seasons but they still avoided a potential cap catastrophe.
 
I was just reading on Puck Daddy how Nathan Fenno, a LA Times reporter, was at Voynov's hearing and reported on some of the details. Full warning, some of the details are pretty grisly and maybe not for someone who's sensitive to this kind of thing.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/slava-voynov-s-wife--pushed-wife-to-ground-multiple-times--by-him-per-police-200257017.html

Either way, it kind of shines some light as to why this is going ahead despite his wife not wanting to press charges and why the NHL had some pretty good reason to suspend him before this wrapped up in court.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Slava Voynov and Semyon Varlamav.  I think the league is completely missing the issue here.  It's clearly a problem with guys with the initials S.V.

Sami Vatanen, we're watching you closely.
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We're watching you even more closely now, Sami...
 
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