Leafs acquire Michael Grabner
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bustaheims
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herman said:
Well, whether or not he negotiated it, it's still the first acquisition since he took the role.
herman
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bustaheims said:
If it was like Carlton said it was (pick a bunch of prospects from this bucket), negotiations probably weren't that hard and it would be conceivable that Lou was the architect. Making the call on which prospects were in the 'expendable' bucket though... I think that was the key part in this transaction.
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2015/09/18/the-michael-grabner-trade-a-look-at-asset-and-roster-management/
I'm looking forward to the Trade Deadline. Season hasn't even started yet...
bustaheims
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herman said:
For Grabner to get that kind of return, he'd have to have a significantly better year than he's had in some time. Realistically, the Leafs are looking at a mid round pick, and a contract that maybe they can flip for a late round pick like they did with Jokinen.
L K
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I guess it really depends on just how much Grabner plays and whether he can match his goal scoring production.
2010 - 34 goals/76 games (37 goals/82)
2011 - 20 goals/78 games (21 goals/82)
2012 - 16 goals/48 games (27 goals/82)
2013 - 12 goals/64 games (15 goals/82)
2014 - 8 goals/34 games (19 goals/82)
If he's producing like his 2010/2012 years, he's likely to net the Leafs a 1st round pick but it's more likely that he's a 20ish goal scorer that will certainly give them something in the 2nd/3rd round territory but the trade value of Grabner is not going to be in improving the Leafs prospect depth. It was clearing out a bunch of contracts (by giving up some legitimate prospects who just don't really have high ceilings) while getting something that might have value down the road to recoup some of that loss.
2010 - 34 goals/76 games (37 goals/82)
2011 - 20 goals/78 games (21 goals/82)
2012 - 16 goals/48 games (27 goals/82)
2013 - 12 goals/64 games (15 goals/82)
2014 - 8 goals/34 games (19 goals/82)
If he's producing like his 2010/2012 years, he's likely to net the Leafs a 1st round pick but it's more likely that he's a 20ish goal scorer that will certainly give them something in the 2nd/3rd round territory but the trade value of Grabner is not going to be in improving the Leafs prospect depth. It was clearing out a bunch of contracts (by giving up some legitimate prospects who just don't really have high ceilings) while getting something that might have value down the road to recoup some of that loss.
hockeyfan1
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herman said:
The forward-thinking of the approach of the Leafs management is impressive. The Grabner deal kind of cements that view.
Whatever the returns will be or whomever they will fetch at the trade deadline makes this season all the more interesting and beneficial in it's own curious way.
herman
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I was thinking Grabner would turn into a 3rd rounder myself. If he can stay healthy, and if he returns to breakaway form, maybe a 2nd. Up one round to the pick if we are willing to eat a big salary in return.
Either way, it's more than we would've received from Beck, et al. this year, and opened up room to sign Glencross (another 3rd), Boyes (a 2nd), etc. and those are dice rolls we didn't have before.
Either way, it's more than we would've received from Beck, et al. this year, and opened up room to sign Glencross (another 3rd), Boyes (a 2nd), etc. and those are dice rolls we didn't have before.
Beowulf
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I followed the Islanders pretty closely last season and guess who runs their PK? Greg Cronin. Yes the same Cronin who was in charge of the Leafs' PK a few seasons ago and was largely responsible for the ineffective and passive style they played. For some reason the Islanders hired him and he employed exactly the same style for their PK until later in the season when they became more aggressive (and consequently more effective). Let's just say that overall he's not a fan favourite for the Isles.
To be clear I'm by no means trying to make excuses for Grabner or implying he's a great PKer that was in a bad system. Just mentioning it as an aside, I echo the sentiments of those above about his value as a player and about the purpose of the trade really being contract flexibility. While I don't think he was hated or anything on the Island, I also don't think any Isles fans are losing sleep over losing him. He didn't really seem to fit in with their short term or long term plans.
To be clear I'm by no means trying to make excuses for Grabner or implying he's a great PKer that was in a bad system. Just mentioning it as an aside, I echo the sentiments of those above about his value as a player and about the purpose of the trade really being contract flexibility. While I don't think he was hated or anything on the Island, I also don't think any Isles fans are losing sleep over losing him. He didn't really seem to fit in with their short term or long term plans.
Peter D.
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Maybe it's the name, but Grabner reminds me of when we picked up Grabovski. A talented player who needed an opportunity elsewhere to bring out the talent in him. I can see him being one of the team's highest point producers this year. So much so that I can see him being a part of the mid-term plans envisioned by management.
Bullfrog said:
It's not his attitude. Have you ever played organized hockey? If you see your supposed "best" player slacking on his work ethic and defensive responsibilities, others will do the same. They look up to the "best" player to set the tone but all he does is go back into his shell. That is what causes the team to suck because they see Phil not trying so why should they try. That change in itself can pay big dividends to a team. If say Carlyle last season was chirping Phil to play harder in his own end, but all Phil does is ignore it and there are no consequences, the rest of the players are going to dismiss Carlyle as well. Then the whole team drowns out the chirping from the coach.
hockeyfan1
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No.92 said:
Well said.
Highlander
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Havent really noticed Grabner at all, is he playing
Kind of a neat story: A fan ended up getting a customized Grabner jersey with the number 41 because that's what the Leafs site had him listed as. I guess he saw somewhere else that Grabner might be wearing 40 so he sent him a tweet asking him which number was right. It ended up being 40, and Grabner sent him an autographed jersey with the correct number.