Leafs Acquired Jonathan Bernier

[Champ Kind]

I just don't see the diamond in the rough that many here are alluding to. Of the top of my head I can't think of any player of significance that broke into the league at that late of an age had that tough of a time scoring goals then went on to become some type of sniper.

*Ahem*

Easily post of the year candidate

 

[Zee]

It would have been a fair only if Frattin wasn't included....Frattin makes this lopsided in favor of LA!
They must be laughing

He has 15 freaking career nhl goals!

Someone mentioned Justin Williams - unless my math is way off he had 79 career goals by the time he was 25.

Modin had 60 career goals by the time he was 25

Stalberg had 42 career goals by the time he was 25

I just don't see the diamond in the rough that many here are alluding to. Of the top of my head I can't think of any player of significance that broke into the league at that late of an age had that tough of a time scoring goals then went on to become some type of sniper.

Maybe St. Louis? But Frattin ain't not St Louis.

I think Frattins ceiling is a 3rd line player. That said the Leafs are thin on forwards right now with him, Komarov, MacArthur and Bozak all lost or potentially lost. Easy to say they're replaceable but the Leafs need to find the right guys to fill those spots. Frattin would have fit in nicely with the Leafs next season but now Nonis has more work to do.

 

[Redleaf]

I think he has the potential to become a top 6, perennial 25-30 goal scorer in the regular season for LA.

There are very few perennial 25+ goal scorers in the NHL.

10 players put up 25+ in the last 4 seasons (I used 15 goals as that number for lockout shortened season). Some others may have missed the mark in some of those 4 seasons due to injury, but still scored at that pace. Either way, saying Frattin has a chance to be a perennial 25+ goal scorer would be putting him among the top 10-20 goal scorers in the NHL.

59 players in the NHL scored 25 goals or more in the last full season (2011-12). Perhaps I've over extended the use of the word perennial?

A perennial 25+ goal scorer would consistently scoring at that pace, year after year.

You have to give some of those players the odd season in between where they didnt hit those numbers due to injury though, or an off season. If they hit 25 goals or more in 7 out of 10 years, I'd still label them 'perennial' 25+ goal scorers.

EDIT: But I get your point. My guesstimates may be a little on the high end.

I just went back 4 years and found that only 10 had reached that point all 4 times, 31 did it 3 times in those 4 seasons, again with 15 being the total to be included in 2013.

Not sure how to do it (quickly that is), but it would be interesting to see how many players hit that 25+ mark at least 4 times in the past 5 or 6 years?

31 players:

Alex Ovechkin 6
Rick Nash 6
Thomas Vanek 6
Corey Perry 6
Martin St Louis 6
Ilya Kovalchuk 5
Jarome Iginla 5
Eric Staal 5
Patrick Sharp 5
Anze Kopitar 5
Zach Parise 5
Daniel Sedin 5
Marian Hossa 5
Jeff Carter 5
Patrick Marleau 5
Phil Kessel 5
Jonathan Toews 5
Evgeni Malkin 4
Dany Heatley 4
Pavel Datsyuk 4
Johan Franzen 4
Alexander Semin 4
Loui Eriksson 4
Sidney Crosby 4
Bobby Ryan 4
Alexandre Burrows 4
Teemu Selanne 4
Patrick Kane 4
Joe Pavelski 4
Steven Stamkos 4
Matt Moulson 4

Interesting list. So, I regress. I'd put Frattin's potential in the tier just below this group. That probably puts him in the 20+goal range. Like I said, where I think Frattin could really stand out for L.A. is in the post season.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

2. Reimer was Burke's guy (so to speak) and Bernier is DN's guy. Does anyone really think Bernier was brought here to play backup?

He also wasn't brought in to be handed the starting job without earning it. Also, just because Nonis brought in Bernier does not mean Bernier is "his guy" and Reimer isn't. It doesn't work the same way with players as it does coaches. Nonis's "guy" is whoever helps the team win more games.

I agree.

Goalies are really unpredictable.  There's so much variance year to year in goalie performance league wide that very few goaltending bets are particularly safe.  I see this as a situation in which Nonis regards both Reimer and Bernier as having the possibility to become star/top 10 goalies.  Neither is a certainty, but the likelihood of having at least one goalie of that calibre into the future is certainly greater when placing two bets and not just one.

No, I don't think Bernier was brought here specifically to be the back-up, but neither do I think he was brought here to be the default #1.  It'll probably take a year or two to settle who's going to be the long-term #1, and I could see it being either.  At worst if Reimer holds on to the #1 spot indefinitely, Bernier will still remain a tradeable asset.