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Leafs hire Kyle Dubas as assistant GM, Loiselle and Poulin Dismissed

riff raff said:
Deebo said:
Britishbulldog said:
lamajama said:
JohnK's Revenge said:
On the flip side, if it goes south for this guy, he's only 2 letters from a really good nickname. :D

I don't think you got proper recognition for this post.

;D  ;D

I am too ignorant in pop culture I guess to figure this one out.  I missed it completely.  :(

Dufus?  Help me....

Add an M and B, not beside each other.

No...it's an M and an S.....

Are you sure? I kinda like the name Dumb Abs... or would it be dumbmas? The holiday where you give all your money to insurance companies for "protection". I celebrate that one every week :(
 
riff raff said:
Deebo said:
Britishbulldog said:
lamajama said:
JohnK's Revenge said:
On the flip side, if it goes south for this guy, he's only 2 letters from a really good nickname. :D

I don't think you got proper recognition for this post.

;D  ;D

I am too ignorant in pop culture I guess to figure this one out.  I missed it completely.  :(

Dufus?  Help me....

Add an M and B, not beside each other.

No...it's an M and an S.....
Arrest the baby!
 
I like this move because stats can be used not only to evaluate players, but also to help them improve in specific areas.

I think keeping Nonis makes sense because even though he made the Clarkson deal he is a decent GM. Arguably the Clarkson deal was made at the behest of Carlyle and his coaching style.

I think Shanahan keeping Nonis makes more sense then keeping Carlyle. That said, if you tell a coach that he has to coach a different way and use tools they are unfamiliar with, and they are comfortable doing that, then maybe you keep him. The collapse at the end of last season could have been a wake-up call for Carlyle to change his game, with an extra push in that direction by Shanahan.

Dubas should be an interesting addition to the Leaf's front office, but his performance will be really hard to judge unless we get media leaks saying he did this or he did that.

We should all be looking for the Leafs to continually build and improve for the short and long term. Instead we want change for change's sake.

Here is the amount of time each of these people have spent in their current roles.

Shanahan - 3 months, 15 days
Nonis - 1 year, 6 months, 17 days
Dubas - 4 days
Carlyle - 2 years, 4 months, 24 days

It's pretty hard to effect immediate changes in an organization. Dubas did it as GM with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds in 3 seasons.

After 5 years, then we should have a better idea of how good or bad these people are. But we have way too small of a sample size with them all working together to be able to say anything about how this will work out.
 
whit7990 said:
I like this move because stats can be used not only to evaluate players, but also to help them improve in specific areas.

I think keeping Nonis makes sense because even though he made the Clarkson deal he is a decent GM. Arguably the Clarkson deal was made at the behest of Carlyle and his coaching style.

I think Shanahan keeping Nonis makes more sense then keeping Carlyle. That said, if you tell a coach that he has to coach a different way and use tools they are unfamiliar with, and they are comfortable doing that, then maybe you keep him. The collapse at the end of last season could have been a wake-up call for Carlyle to change his game, with an extra push in that direction by Shanahan.

Dubas should be an interesting addition to the Leaf's front office, but his performance will be really hard to judge unless we get media leaks saying he did this or he did that.

We should all be looking for the Leafs to continually build and improve for the short and long term. Instead we want change for change's sake.

Here is the amount of time each of these people have spent in their current roles.

Shanahan - 3 months, 15 days
Nonis - 1 year, 6 months, 17 days
Dubas - 4 days
Carlyle - 2 years, 4 months, 24 days

It's pretty hard to effect immediate changes in an organization. Dubas did it as GM with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds in 3 seasons.

After 5 years, then we should have a better idea of how good or bad these people are. But we have way too small of a sample size with them all working together to be able to say anything about how this will work out.

I think that before last season there would of been several GM's who would of made the Clarkson deal.
 
freer said:
I think that before last season there would of been several GM's who would of made the Clarkson deal.

There were also a lot of people who acknowledged that Clarkson was going to sign a mistake contract long before he signed with the Leafs. Just because other GMs would have made the same mistake doesn't change the fact it was a mistake.
 
Potvin29 said:
Frank E said:
Well, it's been a few days and this Dubas hasn't done anything.

I'm not impressed.

They're undefeated under him.

Well they also haven't won a single game either...proof that this whole stats-based analysis and decision making just handcuffs guys further than the salary cap already does?
 
Frank E said:
Potvin29 said:
Frank E said:
Well, it's been a few days and this Dubas hasn't done anything.

I'm not impressed.

They're undefeated under him.

Well they also haven't won a single game either...proof that this whole stats-based analysis and decision making just handcuffs guys further than the salary cap already does?

You're interpreting the data incorrectly.
 
Frank E said:
Well, it's been a few days and this Dubas hasn't done anything.

I'm not impressed.

Well, the Leafs have signed 2 positive position forwards since his hiring was announced . . .
 
bustaheims said:
Frank E said:
Well, it's been a few days and this Dubas hasn't done anything.

I'm not impressed.

Well, the Leafs have signed 2 positive position forwards since his hiring was announced . . .

It might be me but I have never heard of the second player signed.
 
bustaheims said:
Frank E said:
Well, it's been a few days and this Dubas hasn't done anything.

I'm not impressed.

Well, the Leafs have signed 2 positive position forwards since his hiring was announced . . .

I don't have an opinion until someone tells me if they're Corsier or Fenwickier than Ashton and Holland.
 
Frank E said:
bustaheims said:
Frank E said:
Well, it's been a few days and this Dubas hasn't done anything.

I'm not impressed.

Well, the Leafs have signed 2 positive position forwards since his hiring was announced . . .

I don't have an opinion until someone tells me if they're Corsier or Fenwickier than Ashton and Holland.

Well, they both have more than 18 intangibles and compete levels of at least 6.
 
Dubas said he wouldn't have left his job as general manager of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds of the Ontario Hockey League if he wasn't on the same page as Nonis. That means Nonis had to show Dubas they were on the same page when it came to analyzing the game in new ways, commonly referred to as advanced statistics.

"What Dave has said is he wants to integrate that way of thinking into the organization," Dubas said. "Brendan and Dave and Randy [Carlyle, Maple Leafs coach] have been the most curious people in the organization in asking questions about it."

Dubas helped lead Nonis into signing forwards David Booth and Daniel Winnik, two players who score high on the analytics scale because of their ability to possess the puck and work well with linemates in the offensive zone.

"It's just building depth into our organization, and in my initial meeting with him, Dave said that was one thing he wanted to do and he asked what kind of guys I like," Dubas said. "When Dave said that in our meeting, that let me know this is probably going to be a good fit."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=733311

Article by Dan Rosen.  That stuck out to me as I wasn't aware of any comments by the staff yet on Dubas have any direct influence on any of the signings.
 
Potvin29 said:
Dubas said he wouldn't have left his job as general manager of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds of the Ontario Hockey League if he wasn't on the same page as Nonis. That means Nonis had to show Dubas they were on the same page when it came to analyzing the game in new ways, commonly referred to as advanced statistics.

"What Dave has said is he wants to integrate that way of thinking into the organization," Dubas said. "Brendan and Dave and Randy [Carlyle, Maple Leafs coach] have been the most curious people in the organization in asking questions about it."

Dubas helped lead Nonis into signing forwards David Booth and Daniel Winnik, two players who score high on the analytics scale because of their ability to possess the puck and work well with linemates in the offensive zone.

"It's just building depth into our organization, and in my initial meeting with him, Dave said that was one thing he wanted to do and he asked what kind of guys I like," Dubas said. "When Dave said that in our meeting, that let me know this is probably going to be a good fit."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=733311

Article by Dan Rosen.  That stuck out to me as I wasn't aware of any comments by the staff yet on Dubas have any direct influence on any of the signings.

I suspected as much back in July.

Re: Leafs sign Daniel Winnik
? Reply #32 on: July 28, 2014, 03:46:20 PM ?
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I wonder if this was the first Dubas influenced deal.
 
I don't know if it merits its own thread or not, but according to James Mirtle (@mirtle) via Twitter:

Hearing the Leafs will add Wes Clark to their hockey ops team. He's currently director of player development for the Soo Greyhounds.

Clark has worked training elite hockey players for a long time, including John Tavares. Will likely help Leafs develop their picks.
 

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