Leafs @ Lightning - Dec. 13, 7:30 pm EST - Sportsnet Ontario

[Zee]

And by the way, in 2015-2016, Andersen had a 947 sv% in the playoffs.  So the entire theory he sucks in big games is a load of horseshit.

As evidenced by the multiple playoff rounds he's led the Leafs to victory in.

 

[Bender]

To put this all on Freddie is being short sighted. Hainsey messed up on  the third  goal and Dermott got caught pinching on the 2nd. Bab's gets an F to for putting the 4th line out after a goal.
And contrary to popular belief, this isn't a big game. It's one of 82 that gets them into the playoffs. 50 games to go.

I mean mistakes are gonna happen, but you expect your goalie to save a fairly routine back hand especially considering what the other goalie is doing tonight. After dominating the entire period and he lets that garbage in for the 3rd goal?

A) it was a very nice against the grain shot
B) Andersen didn?t have much work that period and I suspect got a bit cold

Don?t always have to take an apologetic position.

Don?t always have to take the apocalyptic position.

Switch goalies tonight and what's the score?

And how many games has Freddie won for the Leafs this year when they were outplayed. I have a, sense that Bab's will be happy with the Leafs overall game tonight. For the record there is no such a thing as a routine backhand. And what the other goalie is doing has no bearing on anything. If the Leafs don't hit the post 4 or 5 times they're way up. Game of inches. Relax and enjoy the game, not the score. One of the better Leafs game in a while offensively. Still need help on D tho.

And even then hard to win games with 1 goal regardless.

 

[AvroArrow]

So I guess we don't really want to try and get home ice in the playoffs by catching Tampa? Playing head to head against the division leader is a big moment for playoff positions. Had they won the Leafs were 4 back.

So, a single game against Tampa Bay is a super important moment?  Had the Leafs won here, the next 10 games wouldn't matter because we beat Tampa Bay on this day?

 

[AvroArrow]

LOL... Andersen with a .928 sv%, but he's not good enough to win for us... Riiiiight...
People are so knee jerk...

Team knows that just throw the puck towards the net and Andersen is gonna give up a soft one every once a while, not to mention that the Leafs defense is weak.

The first half is true of almost any goalie.  It's one of the reasons why the notion of 'just get the puck on the net' exists.
The second half has absolutely NOTHING to do with Andersen, so I have no idea why you'd make that point.

 

[Zee]

So I guess we don't really want to try and get home ice in the playoffs by catching Tampa? Playing head to head against the division leader is a big moment for playoff positions. Had they won the Leafs were 4 back.

So, a single game against Tampa Bay is a super important moment?  Had the Leafs won here, the next 10 games wouldn't matter because we beat Tampa Bay on this day?

When did I say the next 10 games won't matter? Going head to head against the team you're chasing always matters more. You control your own fate and can get a 4 point swing

 

[herman]

Wouldn?t mind it if the Leafs were able to play like this 85% of their games. Can?t remember the last time we generated 40+ shots.

 

[AvroArrow]

45-19 shots and down 3.  But the goalie has nothing to do with it and the game didn?t matter anyway. 

LOL. Wow, way to misrepresent what I'm saying.  I'm saying this game is no more important than any other game.
And there's an entire team in front of Andersen that made critical errors in every single goal against.  Why don't they shoulder any blame?  Because you have some random, blind dislike for our goalie?

 

[lc9]

And by the way, in 2015-2016, Andersen had a 947 sv% in the playoffs.  So the entire theory he sucks in big games is a load of horseshit.

For the leafs, it?s certainly the case.

Oh, so now we're changing our assertions?

No. 

 

[Bender]

Wouldn?t mind it if the Leafs were able to play like this 85% of their games. Can?t remember the last time we generated 40+ shots.

I think on most other nights they'd be ahead. Tampa is like the Leafs a lot of the time. Two quick gaffes and the game's 4-1 instead of 2-1. We've done that to other teams as Tampa's doing that to us right now.

 

[AvroArrow]

When did I say the next 10 games won't matter? Going head to head against the team you're chasing always matters more. You control your own fate and can get a 4 point swing

You're entire implication here is that this game is more important than every other game not against Tampa Bay:

No the entire conversation is Andersen in "big moments". Sure this is just a regular season game but it's #1 vs #2. They'll say it's just another game but the players know it's a measuring stick game.  He wasn't up to the task. Just like in the 2 previous playoffs he was was the 2nd best goalie in both series.

 

[Guilt Trip]

And by the way, in 2015-2016, Andersen had a 947 sv% in the playoffs.  So the entire theory he sucks in big games is a load of horseshit.

Agreed. People love to blame the goalie... Tend to forget about the 5 others players in front of him.
Relax people there's 50 games to go. Plenty of time to catch them and then again, maybe not. All in all Leafs have played well. Just no luck today. It happens.

 

[Zee]

45-19 shots and down 3.  But the goalie has nothing to do with it and the game didn?t matter anyway. 

LOL. Wow, way to misrepresent what I'm saying.  I'm saying this game is no more important than any other game.
And there's an entire team in front of Andersen that made critical errors in every single goal against.  Why don't they shoulder any blame?  Because you have some random, blind dislike for our goalie?

If a player never made an error there would never be a scoring chance against. That's what goalies are for, to stop quality scoring chances against, it's literally their job. When a guy let's in bad goals I call him on it. When he bails a team out I praise him. Vas gets the praise tonight while Andersen was the 2nd best goalie on the ice

 

[AvroArrow]

No.

Well, all of the following quotes say "he's never good in meaningful games", and you just changed your position to "he's never good in meaningful games when on the Leafs".

Andersen stinks in meaningful games.  Never makes the big save.

Andersen is the limiting factor.  Very good goalie, except in big games.  Then he flops.  Need a goalie that can step up.

Can?t win a series for ya if need be. Can certainly lose it though.

 

[Bender]

45-19 shots and down 3.  But the goalie has nothing to do with it and the game didn?t matter anyway. 

LOL. Wow, way to misrepresent what I'm saying.  I'm saying this game is no more important than any other game.
And there's an entire team in front of Andersen that made critical errors in every single goal against.  Why don't they shoulder any blame?  Because you have some random, blind dislike for our goalie?

If a player never made an error there would never be a scoring chance against. That's what goalies are for, to stop quality scoring chances against, it's literally their job. When a guy let's in bad goals I call him on it. When he bails a team out I praise him. Vas gets the praise tonight while Andersen was the 2nd best goalie on the ice

Obviously Andersen needs to be better but Vasilevsky literally played his most outlier game tonight.

 

[lc9]

45-19 shots and down 3.  But the goalie has nothing to do with it and the game didn?t matter anyway. 

LOL. Wow, way to misrepresent what I'm saying.  I'm saying this game is no more important than any other game.

This isn?t true.  They are playing a team directly ahead of them in the standings, this is more important than playing a western conference or Atlantic division team because it has the effect of a 4 point swing as it relates to playoff position. . 

And there's an entire team in front of Andersen that made critical errors in every single goal against.  Why don't they shoulder any blame?  Because you have some random, blind dislike for our goalie?

You?d go to the mattresses for Andersen?  Think he can steal a series?

 

[AvroArrow]

If a player never made an error there would never be a scoring chance against. That's what goalies are for, to stop quality scoring chances against, it's literally their job. When a guy let's in bad goals I call him on it. When he bails a team out I praise him. Vas gets the praise tonight while Andersen was the 2nd best goalie on the ice

I don't disagree with a thing you just said there.  What I disagree with are the notions that Andersen can't handle 'big moments', that games against Boston or Tampa Bay represent a 'big moment', or that Andersen can't win for us.  The first 2 are what you've been trying to argue.

No the entire conversation is Andersen in "big moments". Sure this is just a regular season game but it's #1 vs #2. They'll say it's just another game but the players know it's a measuring stick game.  He wasn't up to the task. Just like in the 2 previous playoffs he was was the 2nd best goalie in both series.

 

[herman]

Wouldn?t mind it if the Leafs were able to play like this 85% of their games. Can?t remember the last time we generated 40+ shots.

I think on most other nights they'd be ahead. Tampa is like the Leafs a lot of the time. Two quick gaffes and the game's 4-1 instead of 2-1. We've done that to other teams as Tampa's doing that to us right now.

47 shots at time of writing this, but there were 4-5 posts that could?ve gone in. Matthews has a feed to a Tavares tap-in that just skimmed off his heel so that?s another potential goal that just missed. Easy to see the score and make very emotional assessments.

Especially when you see Vasilevskiy have, as you said, his most outlier of game performances.

 

[lc9]

No.

Well, all of the following quotes say "he's never good in meaningful games", and you just changed your position to "he's never good in meaningful games when on the Leafs".

Sorry, seemed we were talking about Andersen as a leaf. 

 

[tomcom]

LOL... Andersen with a .928 sv%, but he's not good enough to win for us... Riiiiight...
People are so knee jerk...

Team knows that just throw the puck towards the net and Andersen is gonna give up a soft one every once a while, not to mention that the Leafs defense is weak.

The first half is true of almost any goalie.  It's one of the reasons why the notion of 'just get the puck on the net' exists.
The second half has absolutely NOTHING to do with Andersen, so I have no idea why you'd make that point.

My point is Leafs defense gave up between 30-40 shot most game, including a lot of easy save, that balloon Andersen safe percentage to above .90 percent.

 

[Bender]

I still don't know why Babcock keeps playing the 4th line.