GhostofPotvin29
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lc9 said:
I would post something similar, but this pretty much says the feeling behind it:
Hopefully it's just practice lines or something.
Leafs @ Panthers - Feb. 4th, 7:30pm - SN, SN 590
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I would post something similar, but this pretty much says the feeling behind it:
Hopefully it's just practice lines or something.
bustaheims
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Deebo said:
Nonis doesn't make that kind of decision without consulting Carlyle first. If the decision is to send Bodie down, it would be because Carlyle says he's more likely to play McLaren on the 4th line.
bustaheims
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RedLeaf said:
Saying it works 1 time out of 10 is being awfully generous. It may work once or twice a season for the league as a whole. 99.9% of the time, it's a complete non-factor.
I had assumed that Bodie could be sent down without needing waivers, but I'm now pretty sure he's been on a NHL roster for too long so he would have to go through that process again. Meaning he'll definitely be a healthy scratch if he's not playing.
The Leafs will likely be placing Ashton or Holland on the IR to make room on the roster.
The Leafs will likely be placing Ashton or Holland on the IR to make room on the roster.
Zee said:
There is really no logical explanation to play Orr (at least) in all 82 games. there are many games that he is simply not needed for his "role" - and by role I mean skating on his ankles, falling down and making sure the puck is in the Leafs end. Plus Orr is not fighting anymore anyway.
Personally I am of the opinion that McClaren is a better skater, a better player (low bar I know) and at least drops the gloves when he does play - hopefully when the situation warrants itself.
Orr have been reduced to a Leaf player that is up for all the PR visits etc (perhaps excluding Clarkson). That seems to be the role he's playing this year.
Brian Glennie
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Zee said:
Trust me on this, they provide veteran King-Kong presence and the guys feed off it.
All the best,
Randy Carlyle
Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
It's still Nonis' final decision to make though, so he's still responsible.
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
I suppose, but, let's be real here. For decisions like this one, he's going to go with what his coach wants 99 times out of 100. Nonis is enabling Carlyle, yes, but, this is still really a Carlyle decision.
Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
They aren't going to agree on everything, and Nonis isn't going to make decisions he completely disagrees with. So they are either on the same page here or they are not and eventually Nonis will do something about it if the results aren't there.
Last year, the two goons were reasonably effective at causing all kinds of havoc ... at least they were considered to be a large part of the identity this team had last year. If you missed Orr's impact on Chara in that 7 game series then you missed a lot. So Carlyle could justify them both in the lineup then and he could at least carry over for a while into this year. Clearly they are collectively not at all part of the solution, but Carlyle may be able to keep him around by arguing he can't afford to lose *all* of that physical identity, esp. if Orr has any more health issues and can't play.
Thing is, McLaren has barely played since before Christmas, so being upset he may dress two games in a row seems like a waste of energy to me. As far as being in the lineup at all, if he returns to being in the press box full time I suspect he's gone once the final returnees from injury are back. Similar to what happened to Mark Fraser.
Sudafederov
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CarltonTheBear said:
Confirmed by Claude Loiselle today, he would have to clear waivers.
Sudafederov said:
Thanks. I just checked that interview. He also said that the Leafs have 4 players on the IR, which means Holland and Ashton were placed there. So the Leafs would have an open roster spot if they wanted to bring somebody like D'Amigo up instead of playing McLaren (they don't).
moon111
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A couple of outcomes from Sportsclubstats.com.
If the Leafs go 12-10-3, their odds on making the playoffs: 95.0%
If the Leafs go 11-11-3, their odds on making the playoffs: 69.1%
Being just number crunching has it's weaknesses, but I think it shows how important every game can be.
If the Leafs go 12-10-3, their odds on making the playoffs: 95.0%
If the Leafs go 11-11-3, their odds on making the playoffs: 69.1%
Being just number crunching has it's weaknesses, but I think it shows how important every game can be.
bustaheims
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Corn Flake said:
We're talking about a 4th line winger here. In 99% of the cases, the GM is going to defer to the coach here - especially when the impact of either player on the team's result is microscopic. Nonis isn't going to micromanage like that. McLaren staying up over Bodie if/when it happens will be a Carlyle decision.
Kessel Run
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bustaheims said:
It will still be mind boggling when Troy Bodie is waived over Frazer McLaren.
L K
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It's mind boggling that both Orr and McLaren are even on the NHL roster at this point. I can accept that Orr isn't going to put up many points but he's hit an embarrassing level of ineptitude at this point. 0 goals in 81 games. Tonight he hits a full 82 game schedule of games without a goal when he doesn't pot one in his 3 minutes of ice-time.
Bodie isn't anything special, but we are talking about a guy who hits, fights, skates reasonable well and is on pace to essentially match Colton Orr's career point totals in a single season right now. How he comes out of the lineup for either of McLaren or Orr is a complete joke.
There is absolutely no logic to justify it.
Bodie isn't anything special, but we are talking about a guy who hits, fights, skates reasonable well and is on pace to essentially match Colton Orr's career point totals in a single season right now. How he comes out of the lineup for either of McLaren or Orr is a complete joke.
There is absolutely no logic to justify it.
