Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590

[ZBBM]

This is a game where I?m really looking at Tavares and being pretty disappointed.  He did a lot of nothing tonight in a. Game where your captain needs to be a lot better

Well-paid guys who have not lived up to expectations:

Tavares
Andersen
Rielly
Barrie

You can't get over a hurdle with that.

 

[ZBBM]

At this point I might be down for trading Barrie regardless of the return.  He?s not coming back and this team isn?t good enough to win a championship

At this point it might be time to trade one of the big 4.

That would mean Nylander I guess.

 

[ZBBM]

Is Muzzin good enough to commit to for 4 years, at his age?  Yes, he brings things nobody else on the current roster does ... but is that enough?

 

[BrownRolo]

Is Muzzin good enough to commit to for 4 years, at his age?  Yes, he brings things nobody else on the current roster does ... but is that enough?

If you don't bring him back you'll need to sign someone else. Who else will be on the market this off season?

 

[berserker]

Yes I consider the Clifford goal Spezza's.

Since I don't want to talk about the game, I'll expand on this thought from my MotM pick. It's weird to me that you're not allowed to kick or bat the puck  into the net with your hand. But if a puck is shot at you and deflects off your foot, hand, or any other body part you get credit for the goal. All goals should go to the last player on the scoring team that moved the puck with their stick. I'm aware this would remove like 5 goals from my buddy Zach Hyman's goal totals. Thank-you for your time.

Don't be silly, it is hard work being the guy taking the abuse in front of the net.  Screening
the goalie and taking the wacks and abuse from the defense.  A net front presence causing havoc results in a lot of goals and if the puck goes off that player it should be his goal

 

[Guilt Trip]

Does Dubas have the guts to do what needs to be done at the deadline ? even if the Leafs are technically in a playoff spot?

And play Liljegren, for God's sake.

What would you like him to do?

I agree with playing Sandin and Lilegren as much as possible. Maybe trade Barrie if the return is good enough. Not sure what else should be done. The Leafs secondary scorers like Kapanen, Engvall, Kerfoot aren't producing and trading one of them will probably not get enough in return (presumably on defense) to make it worthwhile. I think we largely have to ride this out.

You maybe right although Kappy who has struggled did score a big OT goal on Friday. Still not enough though from him. I say Dubas trades Barrie if the right deal comes along. He is our biggest trade chip and we're not signing him. I can actually see Dubas trade anyone not named Matthews, Marner, JT, Sandin, Liljegren, Muzz.

 

[Kin]

Well-paid guys who have not lived up to expectations:

Tavares
Andersen
Rielly
Barrie

You can't get over a hurdle with that.

Barrie's kind of a weird guy to put on that list considering what he's actually costing the Leafs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Yes I consider the Clifford goal Spezza's.

Since I don't want to talk about the game, I'll expand on this thought from my MotM pick. It's weird to me that you're not allowed to kick or bat the puck  into the net with your hand. But if a puck is shot at you and deflects off your foot, hand, or any other body part you get credit for the goal. All goals should go to the last player on the scoring team that moved the puck with their stick. I'm aware this would remove like 5 goals from my buddy Zach Hyman's goal totals. Thank-you for your time.

Don't be silly, it is hard work being the guy taking the abuse in front of the net.  Screening
the goalie and taking the wacks and abuse from the defense.  A net front presence causing havoc results in a lot of goals and if the puck goes off that player it should be his goal

Unless he moves his foot the wrong way and then it's no goal for anyone.

 

[ZBBM]

Well-paid guys who have not lived up to expectations:

Tavares
Andersen
Rielly
Barrie

You can't get over a hurdle with that.

Barrie's kind of a weird guy to put on that list considering what he's actually costing the Leafs.

He's costing the Leafs the better part of Nazem Kadri, or however you want to figure that trade.

 

[Kin]

He's costing the Leafs the better part of Nazem Kadri, or however you want to figure that trade.

Cute but the point is the same either way.

 

[Palmateer29]

This is a game where I’m really looking at Tavares and being pretty disappointed.  He did a lot of nothing tonight in a. Game where your captain needs to be a lot better

Well-paid guys who have not lived up to expectations:

Tavares
Andersen
Rielly
Barrie

You can't get over a hurdle with that.

I feel bad for Tavares. Last year he was on a line with Marner the passer and Hyman the digger, this year Nylander, not near the passer Marner is and more likely to take shots, and Kerfoot at this point who is not near the digger Hyman is. No wonder is stats are down this year.

 

[ZBBM]

He's costing the Leafs the better part of Nazem Kadri, or however you want to figure that trade.

Cute but the point is the same either way.

OK, just call it Guys Who Were Expected To Contribute A Lot But Haven't. (As much as we thought, anyway.)

 

[Kin]

I'm agnostic on trading Barrie but other than that I don't actually think the Deadline is a good time to make hockey trades. If you want to trade Kapanen or Kerfoot or whoever I'd do that sort of thing at the draft.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Barrie's kind of a weird guy to put on that list considering what he's actually costing the Leafs.

I've flip-flopped about whether we should be judging Barrie as a $5.5mil player or a $2.75mil player. At times I've thought it should be the former but if hypothetically speaking we acquired someone like P.K. Subban at 50% retained I wouldn't think we'd be holding him to the standard of a $9mil player so why would we do it in this instance.

 

[ZBBM]

I'm agnostic on trading Barrie but other than that I don't actually think the Deadline is a good time to make hockey trades. If you want to trade Kapanen or Kerfoot or whoever I'd do that sort of thing at the draft.

Good point.  Barrie for sure.  And dare they trade Muzzin as a rental, if the rumors are true?

 

[Kin]

I feel bad for Tavares. Last year he was on a line with Marner the passer and Hyman the digger, this year Nylander, not near the passer Marner is and more likely to take shots, and Kerfoot at this point who is not near the digger Hyman is. No wonder is stats are down this year.

To me that in a nutshell is the problem I have with Tavares. We should be talking about a guy making that kind of money as dragging guys to bigger seasons, not feeling bad because other guys aren't helping him enough.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Well-paid guys who have not lived up to expectations:

Tavares
Andersen
Rielly
Barrie

You can't get over a hurdle with that.

Barrie's kind of a weird guy to put on that list considering what he's actually costing the Leafs.

He's costing the Leafs the better part of Nazem Kadri, or however you want to figure that trade.

Kadri had to go, end of story. Barrie hasn't been a great "D" man but he wasn't the issue tonight nor was he brought in to be a great "D" man. The pk tonight and lately has been  horrible, namely Marincin and Holl.

 

[Chris]

Is Muzzin good enough to commit to for 4 years, at his age?  Yes, he brings things nobody else on the current roster does ... but is that enough?

I've been going back and forth on this one. I think he would be worth the contract that is being talked about for the first year or two. After that...well, there are ways to deal with undesirable contracts so I'm not going to get too concerned about it.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I feel bad for Tavares. Last year he was on a line with Marner the passer and Hyman the digger, this year Nylander, not near the passer Marner is and more likely to take shots, and Kerfoot at this point who is not near the digger Hyman is. No wonder is stats are down this year.

To me that in a nutshell is the problem I have with Tavares. We should be talking about a guy making that kind of money as dragging guys to bigger seasons, not feeling bad because other guys aren't helping him enough.

JT played the first 18 or so games with Marner and did nothing so that doesn't fly with me. He's had a difficult year.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1229964748193701888

I hate that the idea of "stripping" an A off of someone is so taboo because otherwise I'd say Muzzin should be getting one next season if he's sticking around long-term. Or you could go with a larger rotation like Rielly/Matthews one game and Muzzin/Marner the other. Or you could continue to think letters are completely meaningless. In any event nice to see him at least saying the right things. Here's hoping it hits the locker room hard.