Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050

[bustaheims]

It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

No. It's the fact that one of them is useless that's the problem.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

 

[ZBBM]

It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Why do you think Nonis over(paid) him?  Because he scored 30 goals once.  And the fact that he never will again is ... a problem.

As for Kulemin, I like him, a lot.  And hooray for all the little things he does / his defense etc. but he needs to score more.

 

[gunnar36]

It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

No. It's the fact that one of them is useless that's the problem.

Are we allowed another compliance buyout this off season?

 

[bustaheims]

Are we allowed another compliance buyout this off season?

Nope. Leafs used up both of theirs already. Not that it would matter. Couldn't use it on Clarkson any way.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Why do you think Nonis over(paid) him?  Because he scored 30 goals once.  And the fact that he never will again is ... a problem.

As for Kulemin, I like him, a lot.  And hooray for all the little things he does / his defense etc. but he needs to score more.

But the fact they scored those goals once and won't again isn't the problem, it's paying them like they will.  If you don't and they are still useful otherwise (like Kulemin) then it's not a problem.

Nonis overpaying Clarkson is a problem.  Clarkson scoring those goals once isn't a problem for the Leafs.

Would Jay McClement having hypothetically scoring 30 goals once and then being signed as a 4th line/PK guy be a problem because he scored 30 goals once and never will again?  No, because he'd be signed to a contract where it wasn't expected of him.

Clarkson's contract is the problem, not the goals he scored before.

 

[lamajama]

Anyone else having picture problems? Very, very bright screen here.

Mine too. It's awful. Can barely see the face off circles. I have Bell. You?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That's an awful call.

 

[ZBBM]

It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Why do you think Nonis over(paid) him?  Because he scored 30 goals once.  And the fact that he never will again is ... a problem.

As for Kulemin, I like him, a lot.  And hooray for all the little things he does / his defense etc. but he needs to score more.

But the fact they scored those goals once and won't again isn't the problem, it's paying them like they will.  If you don't and they are still useful otherwise (like Kulemin) then it's not a problem.

Nonis overpaying Clarkson is a problem.  Clarkson scoring those goals once isn't a problem for the Leafs.

Would Jay McClement having hypothetically scoring 30 goals once and then being signed as a 4th line/PK guy be a problem because he scored 30 goals once and never will again?  No, because he'd be signed to a contract where it wasn't expected of him.

Clarkson's contract is the problem, not the goals he scored before.

Well, even by your own logic it's two sides of the same coin. 

And simply on its own, there's no rational way that you can maintain that someone scoring 30 goals once and never again is not a problem.  Unless you'd rather not have them score 30 again.

 

[ZBBM]

That's an awful call.

I thought so too, but he did hit Lundqvist's head so in an iffy push it's going to go against the offensive player.

 

[Sudafederov]

That's an awful call.

Especially when you consider how they were running Reimer last game. Where's the consistency?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And simply on its own, there's no rational way that you can maintain that someone scoring 30 goals once and never again is not a problem.  Unless you'd rather not have them score 30 again.

Wanting them to score 30 again has nothing to do with whether it is a problem or not.  It only becomes a problem if you pay them commensurate to a 30-goal scorer and they don't do it.

I'm struggling to think of any other way to explain this.  The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again is not a problem - a problem only arises after the fact by how a GM/coach pays/uses the player.  A GM overpaying based on that is a problem; the player scoring those goals and not doing so again is not a problem.

You could sign Kulemin for a reasonable deal to be a ~15 goal, solid defensive player and it would be fine - how would his 30 goals then be a problem?  It wouldn't, because it isn't and won't ever be a problem.  The GM creates a problem if they overpay for something that isn't likely to occur.

 

[ZBBM]

Problem #1:
The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again 

Problem #2:
GM overpaying based on that

Two problems.  Or two sides of the same problematic coin, as I said above.

 

[harps64]

Anyone else having picture problems? Very, very bright screen here.

Mine too. It's awful. Can barely see the face off circles. I have Bell. You?

Yup, Bell. Usually I get a great picture, but not tonight.

 

[ZBBM]

OK, I'm officially sick of TSN flogging the telepathic, uncanny, fairy-tale reunion of the two heroes of 2004.

 

[bustaheims]

Problem #1:
The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again 

Problem #2:
GM overpaying based on that

Two problems.  Or two sides of the same problematic coin, as I said above.

I'm with Potvin on this one. I real failly to see how what some did in the past is a problem if they're not being paid like they're expected to do it again or being used in a role where they're expected to do it again.

 

[ZBBM]

Problem #1:
The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again 

Problem #2:
GM overpaying based on that

Two problems.  Or two sides of the same problematic coin, as I said above.

I'm with Potvin on this one. I real failly to see how what some did in the past is a problem if they're not being paid like they're expected to do it again or being used in a role where they're expected to do it again.

I guess my epistemology makes a distinction between expectations and problems qua problems. 

 

[bustaheims]

I guess my epistemology makes a distinction between expectations and problems qua problems. 

I guess, but, really, only one of them has those expectations attached to him by the team. The other is still a useful player.

 

[ZBBM]

All right Bozak, fill it up.

 

[ZBBM]

All right Bozak, fill it up.

Like that.