Leafs search for a new coach/GM

[Frank E]

OK, who sets the bar?  If we're going to say that they didn't do a proper job of talent acquisition, then who has?

Well, before we took the diversion to talk about whether or not a team that'll have 4 of the last 6 #1 picks had some good young talent in the system we were talking about teams like Chicago and LA. They did ok with it in a pretty timely fashion.

Which players drafted since 2008 have impressed you on those teams?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

OK, who sets the bar?  If we're going to say that they didn't do a proper job of talent acquisition, then who has?

Well, before we took the diversion to talk about whether or not a team that'll have 4 of the last 6 #1 picks had some good young talent in the system we were talking about teams like Chicago and LA. They did ok with it in a pretty timely fashion.

Which players drafted since 2008 have impressed you on those teams?

To jump in, for me these have been impressive picks:

Chicago: Andrew Shaw, Brandon Saad, Kevin Hayes, Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening, Teuvo Teravainen

LA: Brayden Schenn, Tyler Toffoli

Although LA has sustained their recent success with some timely trades.

 

[Kin]

OK, who sets the bar?  If we're going to say that they didn't do a proper job of talent acquisition, then who has?

Well, before we took the diversion to talk about whether or not a team that'll have 4 of the last 6 #1 picks had some good young talent in the system we were talking about teams like Chicago and LA. They did ok with it in a pretty timely fashion.

Which players drafted since 2008 have impressed you on those teams?

Seems like a pretty narrowly defined question since what I responded to was which teams have done a good job of "talent acquisition" and not just drafting in a specific timespan.

But heck, I'll play. Both teams are in different stages of team building now. They've got their core in place and now just need to use the draft to replenish their supply of decent young complimentary players. I think both teams have done that pretty well with Chicago getting Saad, Kruger, Shaw and Teravainen over the last couple years and the Kings having Toffoli, Clifford, Nolan step in from the later rounds. If you look at the players they've drafted in that span who've contributed for other teams it's still a very good draft record.

There's no top line talent there(although Toffoli and Saad are pretty good) but given where they've been drafted that's not a realistic expectation and they don't need top line talent because unlike the Oilers, they spent their time at the top of the draft efficiently.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

http://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/596701264488042496

@TSNBobMcKenzie

DET has granted Mike Babcock permission to talk to other NHL teams. Window open til late May. Doesn't mean Babcock leaving DET, window open.

 

[Kin]

I don't get it. Isn't his contract up?

 

[bustaheims]

I don't get it. Isn't his contract up?

Not until July 1st. I mean, really, if he doesn't want to go back to the Wings, it's a formality at this point, but it's still technically a necessity.

 

[Kin]

I don't get it. Isn't his contract up?

Not until July 1st. I mean, really, if he doesn't want to go back to the Wings, it's a formality at this point, but it's still technically a necessity.

Huh. I'm surprised that it would take him that deep into the off-season. I figured these contracts would just end when a team's season ended. Interesting to think Babcock is going to be getting paid for the next two months despite...well, I don't even know what a coach's off-season duties are.

 

[rdowdall]

I don't get it. Isn't his contract up?

Not until July 1st. I mean, really, if he doesn't want to go back to the Wings, it's a formality at this point, but it's still technically a necessity.

Huh. I'm surprised that it would take him that deep into the off-season. I figured these contracts would just end when a team's season ended. Interesting to think Babcock is going to be getting paid for the next two months despite...well, I don't even know what a coach's off-season duties are.

Well in this case fielding offers from other teams.

 

[Kin]

Well in this case fielding offers from other teams.

True, although I wonder if this isn't just a case where he's already more or less agreed to come back to the Red Wings but Mike Illitch or whoever has basically said that they'll match any offer he gets on the open market. So he has a couple weeks to take offers, reports the highest one to the Wings and signs for that.

 

[bustaheims]

Huh. I'm surprised that it would take him that deep into the off-season. I figured these contracts would just end when a team's season ended. Interesting to think Babcock is going to be getting paid for the next two months despite...well, I don't even know what a coach's off-season duties are.

It's just kind of a standardized thing. Coaches, like players, are signed for x amount of NHL seasons, and the NHL season doesn't officially end until June 30th. This way, payment schedules and stuff are more definitive, rather than being subject to when a team is eliminated.

 

[Can8899]

Huh. I'm surprised that it would take him that deep into the off-season. I figured these contracts would just end when a team's season ended. Interesting to think Babcock is going to be getting paid for the next two months despite...well, I don't even know what a coach's off-season duties are.

It's just kind of a standardized thing. Coaches, like players, are signed for x amount of NHL seasons, and the NHL season doesn't officially end until June 30th. This way, payment schedules and stuff are more definitive, rather than being subject to when a team is eliminated.

This is probably right.  If I'm not mistaken, players pay cheques stop at the end of the regular season while their contracts run through June.  I would expect coaches to be paid in the same manner.

 

[bustaheims]

This is probably right.  If I'm not mistaken, players pay cheques stop at the end of the regular season while their contracts run through June.  I would expect coaches to be paid in the same manner.

Coaches and executives get paid based on a 12 month cycle. Unlike the players, they still have job responsibilities after the team is eliminated. Players are paid based on when they're guaranteed to be working. Coaches and executives have work to do all year.

 

[Kin]

This is probably right.  If I'm not mistaken, players pay cheques stop at the end of the regular season while their contracts run through June.  I would expect coaches to be paid in the same manner.

Coaches and executives get paid based on a 12 month cycle. Unlike the players, they still have job responsibilities after the team is eliminated. Players are paid based on when they're guaranteed to be working. Coaches and executives have work to do all year.

Yeah, I figured that once a season is over a coach essentially becomes part of the front office staff. Sort of an authoritative pro scout who can offer opinions on the performance of the players already on the team and that the team might be interested in acquiring.

That's why I was a little surprised at the contract running into July. You'd figure that teams would want to have a firmer idea of who their coach is going into the draft and free agency. That said, I suppose that's where the whole notion of this just being a formality comes into play.

 

[jdh1]

This might be old news,but,the radio station out here is stating a 3rd round pick goes to Detroit if Babcock is signed by any team before July 1st.

 

[bustaheims]

That's why I was a little surprised at the contract running into July. You'd figure that teams would want to have a firmer idea of who their coach is going into the draft and free agency. That said, I suppose that's where the whole notion of this just being a formality comes into play.

Yeah. Also, the Babcock situation is a bit of an uncommon one. Usually, by this point, a coach will have either received an extension or will have been relieved of their duties. I can't remember the last time a coach was approaching free agency like this.

 

[Highlander]

Instead of a third round pick we can just give them P. Phaneuf

 

[sickbeast]

Why should we have to give Detroit a draft pick? Babcock is a free agent coach.

 

[Highlander]

Detroit is playing it smart. They are giving teams the right to negotiate with Babcock now with a caveat saying he has till the end of May. If the deal to sign him is done before July 1st then we owe the Wings our 3rd.
I would assume if any team enters into negotiation with Babs before the end of May then the 3rd would probably still apply even if he signs after the 1st of July.
Smart Ken Holland, that is why they are winners.

 

[L K]

This might be old news,but,the radio station out here is stating a 3rd round pick goes to Detroit if Babcock is signed by any team before July 1st.

If a team does it, they have a 3-year window to choose when the give up the pick.  Also, the team that is losing a coach/GM has the ability to waive the compensation.

The fact that Detroit is demanding compensation for a free agent is stupid.

 

[Kin]

I would assume if any team enters into negotiation with Babs before the end of May then the 3rd would probably still apply even if he signs after the 1st of July.

Why in the world would you assume that?