Leafs trade Colborne

[bustaheims]

Hold Grabo (-5.5), let Bozak walk (+4.2), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Liles (+3.85) = 7.05 cap savings.
vs.
Sign Bozak (-4.2), hold Liles (-3.85), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Grabo (+5.5), demote Liles (+.925) = 2.875 cap savings.

So, it's an over $4m difference.

That's some fancy math you're using to try to support your point, when the basic reality works out this way:

Grabovski on the cap, no Bozak or Liles = $5.5M
Liles in the AHL & Bozak on the cap, no Grabovski = $7.1M

The real difference is $1.6M on the cap.

 

[mr grieves]

Hold Grabo (-5.5), let Bozak walk (+4.2), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Liles (+3.85) = 7.05 cap savings.
vs.
Sign Bozak (-4.2), hold Liles (-3.85), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Grabo (+5.5), demote Liles (+.925) = 2.875 cap savings.

So, it's an over $4m difference.

That's some fancy math you're using to try to support your point, when the basic reality works out this way:

Grabovski on the cap, no Bozak or Liles = $5.5M
Liles in the AHL & Bozak on the cap, no Grabovski = $7.1M

The real difference is $1.6M on the cap.

Huh. How'd my fancy math turn out so wrong? Counting money not cap space not spent with "Bozak walks"?

 

[TML fan]

If they bought out Liles we'd still be stuck with Komisarek or Grabovski. Either way it's a bigger cap hit and the Leafs still have the same problem, plus the problem of what the heck to do with Grabovski

Any way you slice it, the Leafs have cap trouble and are stuck with one player who isn't really useful to the team anymore. Liles was actually the best option not to buy out because he has the least impact on the cap.

If you're going to bring this up again, I'll correct you again:

Hold Grabo (-5.5), let Bozak walk (+4.2), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Liles (+3.85) = 7.05 cap savings.
vs.
Sign Bozak (-4.2), hold Liles (-3.85), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Grabo (+5.5), demote Liles (+.925) = 2.875 cap savings.

So, it's an over $4m difference.

Also, holding and demoting Liles leaves the Leafs with nearly $3m more dead cap space.

I'm assuming the Leafs wanted to keep Bozak, which is a pretty safe assumption. I'm only talking about the difference between buying out Liles over Grabovski or Komisarek.

 

[bustaheims]

Huh. How'd my fancy math turn out so wrong? Counting money not cap space not spent with "Bozak walks"?

I don't know. Your math, the way you present it, is right, but it isn't accurate in terms of real world. I think you just over-complicated things.

 

[93forever]

To me, this really stings because it means Toronto ends up getting basically nothing for Kaberle.  :'(

As if Kabs did anything productive for the Bruins and as others are saying it is better to get something for him than nothing at all if he was placed on waivers.

 

[princedpw]

Hold Grabo (-5.5), let Bozak walk (+4.2), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Liles (+3.85) = 7.05 cap savings.
vs.
Sign Bozak (-4.2), hold Liles (-3.85), buyout Komi (+4.5), buyout Grabo (+5.5), demote Liles (+.925) = 2.875 cap savings.

So, it's an over $4m difference.

That's some fancy math you're using to try to support your point, when the basic reality works out this way:

Grabovski on the cap, no Bozak or Liles = $5.5M
Liles in the AHL & Bozak on the cap, no Grabovski = $7.1M

The real difference is $1.6M on the cap.

Given the circumstances, 1.6 makes a very significant difference and could be used in quite a variety of ways.

 

[bustaheims]

Given the circumstances, 1.6 makes a very significant difference and could be used in quite a variety of ways.

I agree. I was really just pointing out the difference wasn't quite as big as it was being made out to be. $1.6M is quite different than the "over $4M" that was stated.

 

[mr grieves]

Huh. How'd my fancy math turn out so wrong? Counting money not cap space not spent with "Bozak walks"?

I don't know. Your math, the way you present it, is right, but it isn't accurate in terms of real world. I think you just over-complicated things.

Yeah, I'm just not seeing what $2.5m real world fact is missing. Counting Medicare savings twice, I guess.

Anyway, just made the rosters and filled in the numbers.


FANTASYLAND

JVR (4.25) / Kadri (2.9) / Kessel (5.4)
Lupul (5.25) / Grabo (5.5) / Clarkson (5.25)
Kuli (2.80) / Bolland (3.375) / Raymond (1)
McLaren (.7) / McClement (1.5) / Orr (.925)
Ashton (1.04)

Phaneuf (6.5) / Gunnarson (3.15)
Gardiner (1.117) / Franson (2)
Ranger (1) / Rielly (1.744)
Fraser (1.275)

Reimer (1.80)
Bernier (2.90)

Compliance Buyouts: Komi and Liles = 0
Retained & Carried:  Armstrong, Tucker, Scrivens, Frattin = 2.5
Buried = 0
Total = 63.876
Space = 424,000

======

NONISLAND

JVR (4.25) / Bozak (4.2) / Kessel (5.4)
Lupul (5.25) / Kadri (2.9) / Clarkson (5.25)
Kuli (2.80) / Bolland (3.375) / Raymond (1)
McLaren (.7) / McClement (1.5) / Orr (.925)
Ashton (1.04)

Phaneuf (6.5) / Gunnarson (3.15)
Gardiner (1.117) / Franson (2)
Ranger (1) / Rielly (1.744)
Fraser (1.275)

Reimer (1.80)
Bernier (2.90)

Compliance Buyouts: Komi and Grabo = 0
Retained & Carried: Armstrong, Tucker, Scrivens, Frattin = 2.5
Buried: Liles = 2.925
Total = 65.501
Space =  -1.201


And difference is... yeah, $1.625.

 

[Sevax]

Well given the choice of those 2 teams I will take Nonisland every day of the week.

 

[mr grieves]

Well given the choice of those 2 teams I will take Nonisland every day of the week.

Well, you should probably take 2 forwards off Nonisland. It's not cap compliant with more than 11 forwards.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well given the choice of those 2 teams I will take Nonisland every day of the week.

Every day of the week simply because of Grabovski?

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah, I'm just not seeing what $2.5m real world fact is missing. Counting Medicare savings twice, I guess.

I think I've figured out where you got muddled. You put things into more of a cash flow type perspective - you had cap savings as money in and cap spending as money out - when, really, it's more of an expense report type situation - it's all money out, the difference is how much.

 

[Mike1]

Gotta admit I was cheering for Colborne to step up & make the team. The main reason being that the Leafs have needed a big centremen for awhile now. Joe just didn't do enough to stick with this team. He seemed way too passive out there & didn't seem willing to get his nose dirty. People have been mentioning the cap issues but if Joe had a better camp, they would have kept him. Anyways good luck to Joe in Calgary, maybe he can put it together there. You never know crazier things have happened.

As far as the Leafs go, the search for a big centremen continues....

 

[Big Daddy]

I think part of the problem has to be how stinking rich this kid is. Its very hard to get motivated for a season to be making 900,000 G when he has more money than that tied up in vehicles.  Unbelievably rich kids just dont have the desire.  And dont think Burkie's a fool. Find one of the richest families in Calgary and trade for his kid.  He did it in Toronto. I mean he gets a bigger allowance from his dad then he got payed by the leafs. I wish him well though. Burke will be in the room tying his skates no doubt.

Just read today that Daddy is worth well in excess of 100 million. 

 

[Jalili]

I think part of the problem has to be how stinking rich this kid is. Its very hard to get motivated for a season to be making 900,000 G when he has more money than that tied up in vehicles.  Unbelievably rich kids just dont have the desire.  And dont think Burkie's a fool. Find one of the richest families in Calgary and trade for his kid.  He did it in Toronto. I mean he gets a bigger allowance from his dad then he got payed by the leafs. I wish him well though. Burke will be in the room tying his skates no doubt.

Just read today that Daddy is worth well in excess of 100 million.

I don't think that's something you should patronize him for, though.

If he was a lazy rich kid who didn't want to work for anything, he wouldn't be plying his trade at trying to make the NHL.

 

[ZBBM]

I agree with pmrules.  As much as I don't like having both Orr and MacLaren on the roster (one is plenty) the only one to blame for Colborne's not making this team is Colborne.  He had a couple of decent games against the Bruins in the playoffs but the rest of the time played like a big bottle of vanilla extract.  A spot was there for the taking, and he didn't do anything to grab the brass ring.  This guy's burner looks permanently set on Medium Low.

 

[mr grieves]

I agree with pmrules.  As much as I don't like having both Orr and MacLaren on the roster (one is plenty) the only one to blame for Colborne's not making this team is Colborne.  He had a couple of decent games against the Bruins in the playoffs but the rest of the time played like a big bottle of vanilla extract.  A spot was there for the taking, and he didn't do anything to grab the brass ring.  This guy's burner looks permanently set on Medium Low.

But apart from "blame" and all its moral implications -- finding villains in thuggish Randy, his goon squad, and all that -- wouldn't you rather a bottom 6 of Kuli, Bolland, Raymond, Colborne, McClement, Orr/McLaren than Kuli, Bolland, Raymond, McLaren, McClement, and Orr?

 

[hockeyfan1]

I agree with pmrules.  As much as I don't like having both Orr and MacLaren on the roster (one is plenty) the only one to blame for Colborne's not making this team is Colborne.  He had a couple of decent games against the Bruins in the playoffs but the rest of the time played like a big bottle of vanilla extract.  A spot was there for the taking, and he didn't do anything to grab the brass ring.  This guy's burner looks permanently set on Medium Low.

But apart from "blame" and all its moral implications -- finding villains in thuggish Randy, his goon squad, and all that -- wouldn't you rather a bottom 6 of Kuli, Bolland, Raymond, Colborne, McClement, Orr/McLaren than Kuli, Bolland, Raymond, McLaren, McClement, and Orr?

Yes, I rather. 

 

[Bullfrog]

Yes, I rather. 

Yes as well.

We know what we're getting in Orr and McLaren. Colborne could get better (McLaren too I suppose.) Colborne doesn't work out? I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to find another goon.

 

[caver]

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