Lou Will Not Return

[sickbeast]

To be honest with you guys, I am willing to largely let this go.  And I do apologize if my calling you out did bother you.  That was not my intention.  Quite frankly I do not post here enough and I do not care to post here enough to bother trying to fix the problems on the forum here.  I will tell you that this time I did not bring this up.  I was personally attacked savagely and relentlessly by several of you, only to discover that a number of you have done the exact same thing unfettered and without consequence.

It is abundantly clear that things around here are not going to change.  For better or for worse the mods and ownership are complicit.  So if that's the case, those of us who are bothered by this don't have a leg to stand on.  We need to put up or shut up basically, which is what you all seem to be saying.  So if that's how you guys want things here, fine.  Just realize that the way several of you are treating people on here is not ok.  And I don't think what is happening here is conducive to any type of intellectual discussion.

It might surprise you guys to know that I am extremely successful both personally and professionally.  I interact with hundreds of people daily without issue.  I have been using the internet since dial-up days and not once have I had any type of issue on any type of forum I have ever used, aside from here.  Not one ban anywhere.

The solution here might be to create a "casual" sub-forum whereby you analytics guys/hardcore fans can stay away and let the rest of us chime in with our opinions.  However like I said, I have lost all hope in this place ever improving.

I have said my piece.  If you guys could do me a favor and stop harassing me I will try not to complain too much.  Thanks.

 

[Kin]

The solution here might be to create a "casual" sub-forum whereby you analytics guys/hardcore fans can stay away and let the rest of us chime in with our opinions.  However like I said, I have lost all hope in this place ever improving.

I can't speak for mods or ownership but I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to expect there to be a board that only allows certain kinds of posters or posts that you find acceptable. This place has always allowed for all kinds and it's up to the individual to navigate those waters while sticking to the pretty loose rules of the place.

And so, no, I don't think that the fact that you react really badly to people disagreeing with you is going to result in anyone tailoring the board to how you want to see it. If there are posts you don't like, it's on you to either not pay attention to them or to ignore the people making them. But if you are going to keep posting to this board, people are going to respond if they want. If you write something about the Jays I disagree with, I'll say so and I'm not intimidated by the fact that you'll probably respond with insults. Again, how you react to that is on you but these explosions of yours aren't going to dissuade people from disagreeing with you.

Engage in all the self-pity you want but people who you claim to respect have said the issue here is you. When they did you just summarily dismissed their opinion(again, trolls and cliques). Until you recognize that the real issue is yours and not the boards, you're probably not going to like posting here much.

 

[sickbeast]

The solution here might be to create a "casual" sub-forum whereby you analytics guys/hardcore fans can stay away and let the rest of us chime in with our opinions.  However like I said, I have lost all hope in this place ever improving.

I can't speak for mods or ownership but I don't think it's reasonable or realistic to expect there to be a board that only allows certain kinds of posters or posts that you find acceptable. This place has always allowed for all kinds and it's up to the individual to navigate those waters while sticking to the pretty loose rules of the place.

And so, no, I don't think that the fact that you react really badly to people disagreeing with you is going to result in anyone tailoring the board to how you want to see it. If there are posts you don't like, it's on you to either not pay attention to them or to ignore the people making them. But if you are going to keep posting to this board, people are going to respond if they want. If you write something about the Jays I disagree with, I'll say so and I'm not intimidated by the fact that you'll probably respond with insults. Again, how you react to that is on you but these explosions of yours aren't going to dissuade people from disagreeing with you.

Engage in all the self-pity you want but people who you claim to respect have said the issue here is you. When they did you just summarily dismissed their opinion(again, trolls and cliques). Until you recognize that the real issue is yours and not the boards, you're probably not going to like posting here much.

I disagree with you wholeheartedly and I will also say that it is you that is the problem on here.  Not me.  100%.

In fact had it not been for you I don't think I would have complained about anything on here, at all.  What bothers me the most is that people are complicit with what you do here.

 

[Kin]

What bothers me the most is that people are complicit with what you do here.

The people here aren't "complicit" with me. They disagree with you. Maybe about me, but specifically with how you act. They've said so. To your face. Here in this thread. At which point you summarily dismissed them all as co-conspirators in the great plot to bring you down.

They disagree with you of their own free will and volition. Their own considered opinions. And despite what you may say, the way you react to them indicates that you don't respect them at all. All you do is sort people into the good and right people who agree with you and the nasty Illuminati of Trolls who don't.

But there is no such thing. Take this thread. WIGWAL and I have had vicious arguments in the past. Same with me and busta. Andy might have better reason than anyone to dislike me. I go after Herman for being wrong whenever I can. However either they A) respect my opinions and can put up with my personality or B) are mature enough to ignore me if they want. Despite all of this they have waded into these waters and told you that you are the issue. Not out of any completely non-existent loyalty to me but because they have an issue with you.

The fact that you can't see that, that you think I am "the problem 100%" both shows just how myopic you are being and how little regard you have for the opinions of others.

 

[sickbeast]

What bothers me the most is that people are complicit with what you do here.

The people here aren't "complicit" with me. They disagree with you. Maybe about me, but specifically with how you act. They've said so. To your face. Here in this thread. At which point you summarily dismissed them all as co-conspirators in the great plot to bring you down.

They disagree with you of their own free will and volition. Their own considered opinions. And despite what you may say, the way you react to them indicates that you don't respect them at all. All you do is sort people into the good and right people who agree with you and the nasty Illuminati of Trolls who don't.

But there is no such thing. Take this thread. WIGWAL and I have had vicious arguments in the past. Same with me and busta. Andy might have better reason than anyone to dislike me. I go after Herman for being wrong whenever I can. However either they A) respect my opinions and can put up with my personality or B) are mature enough to ignore me if they want. Despite all of this they have waded into these waters and told you that you are the issue. Not out of any completely non-existent loyalty to me but because they have an issue with you.

The fact that you can't see that, that you think I am "the problem 100%" both shows just how myopic you are being and how little regard you have for the opinions of others.

That's pretty rich to hear you talking to me about respecting the opinions of others.

 

[Bill_Berg]

And sideburns. There are going to be lots of sideburns. Don Mattingly style.

Who's got the right looks to pull it off though?

I think Kasperi Kapanen could do an Elvis pompadour with some crisp 'chops.

And now I have fully come to grips with how babyfaced the Leafs are. Andersen could pull off some chops. Maybe Gardiner. Leivo too, but does it count from the pressbox?

 

[Frank E]

Now that Hunter is gone, as well as Lou, I'm wondering how much Babcock has to say about those that replace Hunter, and Dubas in his previous position.

I think it was reported at the time that Babcock was hired that his deal included a fair bit to say about decision making.

 

[Highlander]

Dear Sickbeast,
I usually don't get involved in this sort of thing outside of the odd joust with Nik (and its been a long while since the last joust), however it seems that "Thou do protest to much" and to be honest it is getting stale real quick.
If the heat is to much in this kitchen then leave the room.
A friend of mine had a restaurant and on the menu, it had to no do's: no smoking cigars and no crybabies.

That seems to be the general attitude on this forum and it's why you guys keep driving multiple people away from this place. I'm not even a major or regular poster here. Look at my post count.

Yes, the general attitude on this forum is that you are a crybaby. And how many posts will it take for you to prove to us that you aren't a regular poster here?
Highlander must be part of the clique too.

I would never belong to any club that would have someone like me for a member. Time for Sickbeast to grow a sense of humour or does his moniker have something to do with his inner workings?

Whatever joke just happened went completely over my head.

That doesn't surprise me as you seem to be devoid of what humour is, that is why you cry to us all. WAW WAW. Again this all should stop now and I am not a member of any group or religious organization.  Ok I like Buddha a little bit.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Personally, I think WIGWAL's immediate response to sickbeast was way more overblown and over the line and I'm a little surprised that he is going completely unscathed here. Unfortunately, sickbeast, doubling down on your comments and complaining about every poster since the Diefenbaker administration isn't exactly helping your cause. You called a poster with under 200 posts a clique-member and then lamented that high post count members were driving away low post count members like you. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Andy, I admitted being over the top and tried to hold my hands up to that in subsequent posts.

I have no justifiable reason, but Nik has the right idea in terms of my personal situation.

As others have mentioned, we have all had sometimes vicious disagreements, but that?s sometimes part of having different view points. We are all adult enough to move on and understand that this is sometimes how discussion go.

There is one person in this thread who is waxing lyrical about all that is wrong here and none of it appears to be their fault, perhaps it?s why they are just so successful in their professional and personal life.

 

[sickbeast]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

 

[Average Joes]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

I am not taking sides on this. Maybe consider moving on from this issue.  Take solice in the PMs you indicated you previously received. At this point you are just going to be repeating your views and it is clear you are not going to change their minds. Then we can discuss important things like facial hair growth and whether or not Kadri had to shave twice a day under Lou.

 

[sickbeast]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

I am not taking sides on this. Maybe consider moving on from this issue.  Take solice in the PMs you indicated you previously received. At this point you are just going to be repeating your views and it is clear you are not going to change their minds. Then we can discuss important things like facial hair growth and whether or not Kadri had to shave twice a day under Lou.

You are right it is pointless. It reminds me of the useless thread. Or the child boards.

 

[Kin]

Yup. The 12-15 people who have all said the same thing in this thread are just intransigent, unreasonable cult members.

 

[sickbeast]

So I have come to the conclusion that this is a ruthless forum. You guys like arguing and debating endlessly. The place is largely unmoderated. I'm not used to it. But I will try to stay and adapt. We'll see.

 

[TimKerr]

So I have come to the conclusion that this is a ruthless forum. You guys like arguing and debating endlessly. The place is largely unmoderated. I'm not used to it. But I will try to stay and adapt. We'll see.

Are you kidding me? This is a DISCUSSION FORUM. On this forum we debate and argue endlessly. That is the whole point of a DISCUSSION FORUM. Again, as everyone as said here, if you don't like it, don't respond. You keep trying to implicate Nik as some sort of horrible human being because he dares disagree with your opinion. He never resorts to baseless personal insults. He always uses facts and stats to argue his point. Now is he sometimes wrong? Sure. Does he sometimes beat an opinion into the ground? Sure. But  that is a far cry from 'ruthless' as you call it.

And everyone else who he debates/argues with just moves on or agrees to disagree. You take it as some personal affront that he doesn't agree with your grand insight.

In reality, who cares? No one here is changing the trajectory or strategy of the Jays or the Leafs. As I said above, it is a DISCUSSION FORUM. Simple as that.

 

[Average Joes]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

I am not taking sides on this. Maybe consider moving on from this issue.  Take solice in the PMs you indicated you previously received. At this point you are just going to be repeating your views and it is clear you are not going to change their minds. Then we can discuss important things like facial hair growth and whether or not Kadri had to shave twice a day under Lou.

You are right it is pointless. It reminds me of the useless thread. Or the child boards.

I was hoping you would take the out I tried to set. You?re just going to get more push back with those last two sentences.

 

[sickbeast]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

I am not taking sides on this. Maybe consider moving on from this issue.  Take solice in the PMs you indicated you previously received. At this point you are just going to be repeating your views and it is clear you are not going to change their minds. Then we can discuss important things like facial hair growth and whether or not Kadri had to shave twice a day under Lou.

You are right it is pointless. It reminds me of the useless thread. Or the child boards.

I was hoping you would take the out I tried to set. You?re just going to get more push back with those last two sentences.

Eh so be it.

 

[Bender]

Can we not have infighting in every other thread? I was in the useless thread and it reads basically the same.

 

[Redleaf]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

I am not taking sides on this. Maybe consider moving on from this issue.  Take solice in the PMs you indicated you previously received. At this point you are just going to be repeating your views and it is clear you are not going to change their minds. Then we can discuss important things like facial hair growth and whether or not Kadri had to shave twice a day under Lou.

You are right it is pointless. It reminds me of the useless thread. Or the child boards.

I was hoping you would take the out I tried to set. You?re just going to get more push back with those last two sentences.

Eh so be it.

lol. Man its like you've dropped a bunch of French fries at 'Seagull beach' now.

 

[sickbeast]

You think it's my fault? With my 750 posts? Please.

I am not taking sides on this. Maybe consider moving on from this issue.  Take solice in the PMs you indicated you previously received. At this point you are just going to be repeating your views and it is clear you are not going to change their minds. Then we can discuss important things like facial hair growth and whether or not Kadri had to shave twice a day under Lou.

You are right it is pointless. It reminds me of the useless thread. Or the child boards.

I was hoping you would take the out I tried to set. You?re just going to get more push back with those last two sentences.

Eh so be it.

lol. Man its like you've dropped a bunch of French fries at 'Seagull beach' now.

I don't go down that easily.