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Luongo

Corn Flake said:
Regarding Gardiner... This feels more and more like the time JFJ could have had Pronger but didn't go for it because Edmonton wanted Steen in the deal.  We know how it turned out for Anaheim and how things went for Toronto after that.

I think its really about when you have the chance to get a player of this caliber you need to stop freaking out about the pieces you are giving up. Even if the scale tips a little bit in their favor in that regard, you are getting the best player in the deal - one who can solidify a position that has been a gaping wound for SEVEN YEARS.. you need to just do it.

I don't want to give up Gardiner either but if it means Luongo arrives and we stop freaking out about the goaltending (at least until he struggles for us in the SCF's)  and this team finally moves forward, then let's do it.
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I feel very similarly to this deal as I did to the Pronger deal - if it costs high quality young assets, it's not the right move for the Leafs to make right now, because they're not at the point where adding a Luongo/Pronger type would put them over the top to being a Cup calibre team. Trading for Pronger wouldn't have fixed the glaring issues the Leafs had heading into the 06/07 season - in fact, it would have only added to what was probably the strength of that particular team, the blueline. Trading for Luongo more directly addresses a need, but, in too much of a short term way (with a long term commitment) for it to be the right move if guys like Gardiner are involved. If we were talking about Luongo when he was traded to Vancouver and we were looking at 8-10 season of high-end goaltending, that would be one thing, but, trading for him now gives us a few seasons until the Leafs right back in the same position, but minus a couple of the valuable assets the Leafs currently have and who could be valuable pieces of what will hopefully become a Cup contending squad.
 
Corn Flake said:
Regarding Gardiner... This feels more and more like the time JFJ could have had Pronger but didn't go for it because Edmonton wanted Steen in the deal.  We know how it turned out for Anaheim and how things went for Toronto after that.

I think its really about when you have the chance to get a player of this caliber you need to stop freaking out about the pieces you are giving up. Even if the scale tips a little bit in their favor in that regard, you are getting the best player in the deal - one who can solidify a position that has been a gaping wound for SEVEN YEARS.. you need to just do it.

I don't want to give up Gardiner either but if it means Luongo arrives and we stop freaking out about the goaltending (at least until he struggles for us in the SCF's)  and this team finally moves forward, then let's do it.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. This has a different feel to it. Yes, Steen was looked upon as a player with a high ceiling at the time, but I think Gardiner's ceiling is seen as being a bit higher. He appears to be thought of as a cornerstone piece. A player that will run the PP for years to come. Of course nobody knows for sure, and it goes without saying, if you can get Luongo without moving him or, say Rielly, you do it. If you can't, that choice becomes very difficult. Personally, I'd have moved Steen, even without hindsight, but with Gardiner, there would have to be another important piece coming back from Vancouver. But, again I'm a pretty big proponent of keeping Gardiner. I wasn't really that high on Steen.
 
bustaheims said:
Corn Flake said:
Regarding Gardiner... This feels more and more like the time JFJ could have had Pronger but didn't go for it because Edmonton wanted Steen in the deal.  We know how it turned out for Anaheim and how things went for Toronto after that.

I think its really about when you have the chance to get a player of this caliber you need to stop freaking out about the pieces you are giving up. Even if the scale tips a little bit in their favor in that regard, you are getting the best player in the deal - one who can solidify a position that has been a gaping wound for SEVEN YEARS.. you need to just do it.

I don't want to give up Gardiner either but if it means Luongo arrives and we stop freaking out about the goaltending (at least until he struggles for us in the SCF's)  and this team finally moves forward, then let's do it.
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I feel very similarly to this deal as I did to the Pronger deal - if it costs high quality young assets, it's not the right move for the Leafs to make right now, because they're not at the point where adding a Luongo/Pronger type would put them over the top to being a Cup calibre team. Trading for Pronger wouldn't have fixed the glaring issues the Leafs had heading into the 06/07 season - in fact, it would have only added to what was probably the strength of that particular team, the blueline. Trading for Luongo more directly addresses a need, but, in too much of a short term way (with a long term commitment) for it to be the right move if guys like Gardiner are involved. If we were talking about Luongo when he was traded to Vancouver and we were looking at 8-10 season of high-end goaltending, that would be one thing, but, trading for him now gives us a few seasons until the Leafs right back in the same position, but minus a couple of the valuable assets the Leafs currently have and who could be valuable pieces of what will hopefully become a Cup contending squad.
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Totally agree here. I'm not against this year being a write off year in order to draft MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov or whomever in order to get a nice one-two punch blue chip prospects with one of those and Rielly. We've got loads of cap space and teams will really change their tone by the end of the season as to what direction they want to go in.

I think this is the best option. Get your blue chipper in a next to irrelevant season, make trades as they come along, push hard for Getzlaf and use your leverage now that you've got a real blue chipper to send a prospect or two for a good, young goaltender (Bernier?).

I am convinced that this summer will be the window of opportunity for the team, not now.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?utm_medium=referral&id=413378&utm_source=t.co
 
Bender said:
bustaheims said:
Corn Flake said:
Regarding Gardiner... This feels more and more like the time JFJ could have had Pronger but didn't go for it because Edmonton wanted Steen in the deal.  We know how it turned out for Anaheim and how things went for Toronto after that.

I think its really about when you have the chance to get a player of this caliber you need to stop freaking out about the pieces you are giving up. Even if the scale tips a little bit in their favor in that regard, you are getting the best player in the deal - one who can solidify a position that has been a gaping wound for SEVEN YEARS.. you need to just do it.

I don't want to give up Gardiner either but if it means Luongo arrives and we stop freaking out about the goaltending (at least until he struggles for us in the SCF's)  and this team finally moves forward, then let's do it.
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I feel very similarly to this deal as I did to the Pronger deal - if it costs high quality young assets, it's not the right move for the Leafs to make right now, because they're not at the point where adding a Luongo/Pronger type would put them over the top to being a Cup calibre team. Trading for Pronger wouldn't have fixed the glaring issues the Leafs had heading into the 06/07 season - in fact, it would have only added to what was probably the strength of that particular team, the blueline. Trading for Luongo more directly addresses a need, but, in too much of a short term way (with a long term commitment) for it to be the right move if guys like Gardiner are involved. If we were talking about Luongo when he was traded to Vancouver and we were looking at 8-10 season of high-end goaltending, that would be one thing, but, trading for him now gives us a few seasons until the Leafs right back in the same position, but minus a couple of the valuable assets the Leafs currently have and who could be valuable pieces of what will hopefully become a Cup contending squad.
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Totally agree here. I'm not against this year being a write off year in order to draft MacKinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov or whomever in order to get a nice one-two punch blue chip prospects with one of those and Rielly. We've got loads of cap space and teams will really change their tone by the end of the season as to what direction they want to go in.

I think this is the best option. Get your blue chipper in a next to irrelevant season, make trades as they come along, push hard for Getzlaf and use your leverage now that you've got a real blue chipper to send a prospect or two for a good, young goaltender (Bernier?).

I am convinced that this summer will be the window of opportunity for the team, not now.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?utm_medium=referral&id=413378&utm_source=t.co
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You know, I'm at the stage right now where I'm gonna just go along with whatever direction Nonis sees fit. I'll back the decision to get Luongo or the decision to stay satus quo. I see the merits of taking either path here. It would be fun to start seeing the Leafs playing in post season this year or next, but it would also be good to see them add another high end prospect, and be patient for a few more years. I'm trusting Nonis will make the right choice here....
 
Based on what Nonis said, I don't see Gardiner or Kadri going in a deal for Luongo but we'll see. Personally, it would be easier for me to part with Kadri though... The emergence of Frattin is a part of that but I understand Kadri had more upside.
 
Rob said:
Based on what Nonis said, I don't see Gardiner or Kadri going in a deal for Luongo but we'll see. Personally, it would be easier for me to part with Kadri though... The emergence of Frattin is a part of that but I understand Kadri had more upside.
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Emergence at an AHL level, however. Neither has done anything at the NHL level yet.

Anyway Luongo is signed for another decade, is 33 and part of a goalie tandem in VAN that costs over $9 million. Oh, and few teams are interested. I'd hold on to my top prospects until VAN accepts reality.
 
Rob said:
Based on what Nonis said, I don't see Gardiner or Kadri going in a deal for Luongo but we'll see. Personally, it would be easier for me to part with Kadri though... The emergence of Frattin is a part of that but I understand Kadri had more upside.
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I don't think Kadri's likely going a guys like Luongo either. I think (or, perhaps more accurately, I hope) the most valuable prospects he'd give up in a deal like this would guys like Colborne and Ashton.
 
Andy007 said:
Emergence at an AHL level, however. Neither has done anything at the NHL level yet.
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As the risk of derailing the thread, I think Frattin has proven a substantial amount more at the NHL level than Kadri has. The last we saw these two (at this level) Frattin was the superior player.
 
bustaheims said:
Rob said:
Based on what Nonis said, I don't see Gardiner or Kadri going in a deal for Luongo but we'll see. Personally, it would be easier for me to part with Kadri though... The emergence of Frattin is a part of that but I understand Kadri had more upside.
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I don't think Kadri's likely going a guys like Luongo either. I think (or, perhaps more accurately, I hope) the most valuable prospects he'd give up in a deal like this would guys like Colborne and Ashton.
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Likewise
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
bustaheims said:
Rob said:
Based on what Nonis said, I don't see Gardiner or Kadri going in a deal for Luongo but we'll see. Personally, it would be easier for me to part with Kadri though... The emergence of Frattin is a part of that but I understand Kadri had more upside.
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I don't think Kadri's likely going a guys like Luongo either. I think (or, perhaps more accurately, I hope) the most valuable prospects he'd give up in a deal like this would guys like Colborne and Ashton.
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Likewise
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I'll second that... Though I must say, I'm not at all convinced we even trade for Luongo.
 
I'd rather Nonis waits Gillis out. Go with Reimer/Scrivens/Rynnas, either sink or swim, and if it's sink, get a decent draft pick and fire sale a few guys. They've got no shot at it this year or the next 2, Luongo or not.
 
Cam Charron ‏@camcharron

Roberto Luongo is NOT on the ice with his Canuck teammates at UBC. We are at Defcon-Luongo. He is NOT on the ice at UBC. (via @HockeyWest)

Possibly means nothing, but we got time to kill before the MOA is done.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Cam Charron ‏@camcharron

Roberto Luongo is NOT on the ice with his Canuck teammates at UBC. We are at Defcon-Luongo. He is NOT on the ice at UBC. (via @HockeyWest)

Possibly means nothing, but we got time to kill before the MOA is done.
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Well, I guess its a good thing none of the Leafs are absent?
 
The best line from Burke's TSN interview:

"If you're going to add a goaltender...with a year coming into a CBA you'd have to evaluate what the new rules might look like to make a deal. In the absence of that knowledge, in my opinion, would be negligent to the franchise. I didn't do anything here that wasn't long-term thinking...To me, to make that trade...would be negligent."
 
Justin said:
The best line from Burke's TSN interview:

"If you're going to add a goaltender...with a year coming into a CBA you'd have to evaluate what the new rules might look like to make a deal. In the absence of that knowledge, in my opinion, would be negligent to the franchise. I didn't do anything here that wasn't long-term thinking...To me, to make that trade...would be negligent."
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So the firing was about Luongo.
 
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