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Marincin on waivers

Coco-puffs said:
Its interesting because he's pretty much the exact opposite of Jake.  Jake drove play almost entirely by getting the puck and making things develop offensively with controlled exits/entries.  He was never bad defensively, but that one gaffe per game (defensively) always seemed to stick out like a sore thumb.  Recently, those gaffe's have become minimal- he's improved defensively to the point where he should be considered a #1 defenseman but isn't yet because of the baggage he's carrying and the Leafs trying to make Rielly the #1 d-man over the past few years.

Marincin's talents were almost entirely defensive... stopping the puck from entering the zone and doing it so well that his lack of offense was acceptable.  Marincin's gaffes were almost always with the puck on his stick.  He threw it away enough that you'd notice the gaffes with it that ended up in the back of the net.  But both were effective. 

The main problem with Marincin is developing puck skills, patience, etc is a whole lot harder than improving defensively like Jake did.  Furthermore, the Leafs style of play (and where the NHL is going in general) fits in perfectly with Jake's game... and doesn't with Marincin's. 

The only reason I'd keep Marincin around is I don't really want Rosen or Dermott sitting in the press box to be the 7th defenseman.  If they aren't playing with the Leafs regularily, they should be playing big minutes with the Marlies.

Basically all of this. People generally only watch the puck, and Marincin is at his best when it's not on his stick and at his very worst when it is.

However, I would say Gardiner's gaffes have minimized more because the team around him actually keeps up with him now and provides useful outlets, rather than blowing the zone and leaving him to fend for himself against 3 forecheckers.

https://twitter.com/ChartingHockey/status/915737766490763265
 
Marincin on waivers is an unfortunate set of circumstances, it's nobody's fault really.
 
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/916328664568074240

Rosen at Leafs practice.  So my theory that it was just for flexibility over the next 30 days was off.  Marincin will either be claimed or assigned to the Marlies.  Considering the Leafs want to develop Dermott and Nielsen, he'll be fighting with Valiev for bottom pair minutes on the left side there.
 
Coco-puffs said:
The only reason I'd keep Marincin around is I don't really want Rosen or Dermott sitting in the press box to be the 7th defenseman.  If they aren't playing with the Leafs regularily, they should be playing big minutes with the Marlies.

Rosen and Borgman are both on two-way contracts, so their salary is about 13x bigger if they're in the NHL as opposed to the AHL. I don't necessarily think that the Leafs promised them NHL gigs at all, but maybe during the negotiations it was agreed that if they looked like NHL defencemen they wouldn't be shipped down in the event of a numbers game. So even if one was just the 7th best defenceman in the organization he'd stay up to ensure he collects a NHL paycheque.
 
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/916334022690779136

Well, it's good he'll still be around in case Rosen or Borgman end up looking overwhelmed as the season goes on. Hopefully he builds up that confidence of his on the Marlies. He'd be a good partner for Liljegren I think.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/916334022690779136

Well, it's good he'll still be around in case Rosen or Borgman end up looking overwhelmed as the season goes on. Hopefully he builds up that confidence of his on the Marlies. He'd be a good partner for Liljegren I think.


Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.  If he can build some confidence down on the Marlies who knows, maybe he's able to come back to the Leafs.  I'm hoping the Leafs are good enough that they don't have to worry about that.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Zee said:
Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.

Well, there's the ECHL.

I don't believe players signed to one-way NHL contracts can be assigned to the ECHL unless their contract has an ECHL provision in it (or the player agrees to it).  A quick google search turned up nothing to corroborate this but I remember reading it a while back.  Players on NHL ELC are by-definition on two-way contracts and are eligible. 
 
Coco-puffs said:
Nik the Trik said:
Zee said:
Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.

Well, there's the ECHL.

I don't believe players signed to one-way NHL contracts can be assigned to the ECHL unless their contract has an ECHL provision in it (or the player agrees to it).  A quick google search turned up nothing to corroborate this but I remember reading it a while back.  Players on NHL ELC are by-definition on two-way contracts and are eligible.

Its in the CBA:

13.11 No Loans to East Coast Hockey League. A Player who is not in the Entry Level System
may not be Loaned to the East Coast Hockey League without his consent.
 
Coco-puffs said:
Coco-puffs said:
Nik the Trik said:
Zee said:
Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.

Well, there's the ECHL.

I don't believe players signed to one-way NHL contracts can be assigned to the ECHL unless their contract has an ECHL provision in it (or the player agrees to it).  A quick google search turned up nothing to corroborate this but I remember reading it a while back.  Players on NHL ELC are by-definition on two-way contracts and are eligible.

Its in the CBA:

13.11 No Loans to East Coast Hockey League. A Player who is not in the Entry Level System
may not be Loaned to the East Coast Hockey League without his consent.

Pretty sure it was a joke though man...
 
Frank E said:
I'm actually surprised that he cleared because he was, apparently, an analytics darling.

His numbers in that regard took a hit last season IIRC, and even at more of his "peak" he provided virtually zero offence. And often times in these situations team would rather just stick with the guy they already know.
 
Frank E said:
Coco-puffs said:
Coco-puffs said:
Nik the Trik said:
Zee said:
Yup, nowhere to go but up for him.

Well, there's the ECHL.

I don't believe players signed to one-way NHL contracts can be assigned to the ECHL unless their contract has an ECHL provision in it (or the player agrees to it).  A quick google search turned up nothing to corroborate this but I remember reading it a while back.  Players on NHL ELC are by-definition on two-way contracts and are eligible.

Its in the CBA:

13.11 No Loans to East Coast Hockey League. A Player who is not in the Entry Level System
may not be Loaned to the East Coast Hockey League without his consent.

Pretty sure it was a joke though man...

Most likely.  But not everyone here will get that and I like facts.
 
Coco-puffs said:
I don't believe players signed to one-way NHL contracts can be assigned to the ECHL unless their contract has an ECHL provision in it (or the player agrees to it).  A quick google search turned up nothing to corroborate this but I remember reading it a while back.  Players on NHL ELC are by-definition on two-way contracts and are eligible.

I don't believe Zee said "There's nowhere for him to go but up on his current contract".

Seriously, busta did it the other day and now you. Don't try to "technically" me. Come at the King, you best not miss.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Don't try to "technically" me. Come at the King, you best not miss.

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Nik the Trik said:
Seriously, busta did it the other day and now you. Don't try to "technically" me. Come at the King, you best not miss.

You know I'm always going to get technical on you. That's my role here. 8)
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
Seriously, busta did it the other day and now you. Don't try to "technically" me. Come at the King, you best not miss.

You know I'm always going to get technical on you. That's my role here. 8)

Right but my role is to make the sardonic comments with the very precise language. Matthews could sign that contract.
 

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