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Marlies Talk

Sarge said:
Presumably because you feel that our prospect pool is deep enough?
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No, it's not like trading down in the draft because of the basic difference between acquiring NHL talent via free agency or trade and the draft.
 
Nik? said:
No, it's not like trading down in the draft because of the basic difference between acquiring NHL talent via free agency or trade and the draft.
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I don't know... I'm still kind of seeing both as throwing more darts at the board. I guess it depends on what's there in either situation.
 
Zee said:
Erndog said:
I was just going to come and post about that.

There's just no way we can run with a Reimer-Scrivens duo next season but I have no doubt both guys CAN perform at the NHL level.  You just don't want to give/trade one away, have them become pretty decent goalies elsewhere and get stuck with the lesser of the two.  Similar to when we traded Rask and chose Pogge.

Can we run with 3 goalies during camp and the start of the season?  NYI did it last year.  Ottawa did it for a time last year.   

Save making the decision at a later time.
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Problem with trading one away is neither one will get you a great return at this point in their careers.  Reimer only played a half good season and Scrivens not even that.  Hopefully Leafs can develop at least one of them and not make the same mistake we did with Rask.
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I agree with that position..why get rid of one of the goalies and then watch another team prosper...I can't see the goalie stiuation as bad as last year.
 
Sarge said:
I don't know... I still kind of seeing both as throwing more darts at the board. I guess it depends on what's there in either situation.
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Well, the obvious difference here is the size of the board. Trading down at the draft gives you two shots at a smaller board. Running with two young goalies instead of bringing in a veteran gives you two darts at a board that hasn't changed size (and may in fact be bigger than what you'd be left with after a trade).
 
Sarge said:
I don't know... I still kind of seeing both as throwing more darts at the board. I guess it depends on what's there in either situation.
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It's an entirely different equation. If the Leafs want to add a #1 goalie in the off-season their chief concern is going to be what they'll need to give up to get one. If Nashville calls up tomorrow and offers Pekka Rinne for a 7th round draft pick nobody is going to favour having more darts to throw.
 
Either way, much depends on what happens here in the coming weeks. At the end of the day (and it goes without saying) that I'm hoping the pick is put to good use one way or another and we get better goaltending than we did last year. 
 
cw said:
Kind of unrelated:
http://theahl.com/heartfelt-sendoff-for-first-year-icecaps-p177595
IceCaps head coach Keith McCambridge has been around the AHL for decades as a player and a coach and was impressed by St. John?s fan support. All 46 home games at Mile One Centre through the 2011-12 regular season and playoffs were sold out.

Good for them. They averaged around 6,300, 9th in the AHL. They had great fans who used to frequent this site when the Baby Leafs played there.
http://theahl.com/stats/schedule.php?view=attendance&season_id=37

Marlies were 14th with 5,480/game.
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Some of us still do  ;D
 
Nik? said:
Erndog said:
There's just no way we can run with a Reimer-Scrivens duo next season but I have no doubt both guys CAN perform at the NHL level.
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I think you can go with Reimer/Scrivens. The team would just have to be of the opinion that none of the #1 goalies available to them would be worth the cost in terms of contract/assets. The only way the team is competitive next year is with a solid #1 goalie and signing a veteran back-up doesn't really do that. At this point I'd almost rather go Scrivens/Reimer and take the two shots at having a young goalie develop into a top notch goalie.
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I really think they need to move one, if not two prominent "Names" on the defense to be comfortable with that arrangement though.  Say what you want about the goaltending but:

Raycroft's numbers jumped back up over .900 in the 4 years post Toronto.
Giguere's numbers jumped back up in Colorado this year

Raycroft was still mediocre after leaving Toronto, and Giguere's improvement probably had more to do with legitimately shutting down a terrible groin but this is not just a goaltending problem in Toronto.  Wilson had a team that couldn't play defense.  The goalies didn't stop enough pucks, but there was rarely a game where there weren't 5-7 3 on 1s/breakaways and another half-dozen turnovers directly into the slot (a good third of those coming from Komisarek alone).

 
L K said:
Nik? said:
Erndog said:
There's just no way we can run with a Reimer-Scrivens duo next season but I have no doubt both guys CAN perform at the NHL level.
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I think you can go with Reimer/Scrivens. The team would just have to be of the opinion that none of the #1 goalies available to them would be worth the cost in terms of contract/assets. The only way the team is competitive next year is with a solid #1 goalie and signing a veteran back-up doesn't really do that. At this point I'd almost rather go Scrivens/Reimer and take the two shots at having a young goalie develop into a top notch goalie.
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I really think they need to move one, if not two prominent "Names" on the defense to be comfortable with that arrangement though.  Say what you want about the goaltending but:

Raycroft's numbers jumped back up over .900 in the 4 years post Toronto.
Giguere's numbers jumped back up in Colorado this year

Raycroft was still mediocre after leaving Toronto, and Giguere's improvement probably had more to do with legitimately shutting down a terrible groin but this is not just a goaltending problem in Toronto.  Wilson had a team that couldn't play defense.  The goalies didn't stop enough pucks, but there was rarely a game where there weren't 5-7 3 on 1s/breakaways and another half-dozen turnovers directly into the slot (a good third of those coming from Komisarek alone).
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I agree..I think wilson's system required pretty much a top tier goaltender ..but raycroft's poor performance goes back before wilson right?  Under Maurice too?
 
Tigger said:
Surprising there was no call on that hit on Scott.
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that was BS ..they've crosschecked him in the back and the chest and the game is only halfway through the first

that abbot play was scary..but i was so impressed he tried it
 
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