Matthews or BUST

[jdh1]

I would too...but not for the whole team.

That doesn't make any sense.

I would like to mention that the style that McDavid plays could shorten his carreer...he's already had two years in a row of rather serious injury.

Neither of McDavid's injuries have anything to do with anything related to the style he plays. One was suffered in a fight and he didn't fight at all this year, the other was on a play that could have happened to anyone.

OK

 

[Al14]

However examples in the past sometimes  has paid off to trade the no.1 like Lindros to Philly for a boatload of prospects and it worked.

Except that's not true for a number of reasons. For starters, the Nordiques didn't trade the #1 pick. They traded Lindros after they'd already drafted him and he refused to play there. Likewise, the measurement by which it "worked" has to do with all sorts of random things like Lindros getting injured, Forsberg being roughly as good as Lindros turned out to be(although chiefly because of Lindros' injuries) and maybe most importantly the fact that after the trade the Nordiques franchise effectively collapsed and had to be moved to Colorado. It's pretty hard to say a move really worked out for a team if they had to move a few years afterwards. It's not unconnected to the Franchise's eventual success either. There's no chance in hades the Canadiens would have traded Roy to the team if they were still in Quebec City.

The Nordiques essentially had a gun to their head and it majorly screwed up their franchise. The fact that Lindros' injuries and some lucky circumstances that were entirely dependent on their move meant that things sort of evened up talent level doesn't mean the move "worked" or that it should serve as inspiration to anyone.

The Nordiques new before they drafted Lindros that he didn't want to play for them,but they took him anyways because of his trade value.

To say that Lindros got hurt in his carreer,knowbody new that in advance,just like Philly didn't know that Forsberg was going to be a star.

And we don't know everything now about Matthews,how good is he going to be?
Will he be spared of major injuries?
Will he be fully committed to playing in Toronto?

This scares me!  We may have him for 7 years, then, lose him for next to nothing.  Too bad we didn't win last year's lottery instead.

 

[Spider]

However examples in the past sometimes  has paid off to trade the no.1 like Lindros to Philly for a boatload of prospects and it worked.

Except that's not true for a number of reasons. For starters, the Nordiques didn't trade the #1 pick. They traded Lindros after they'd already drafted him and he refused to play there. Likewise, the measurement by which it "worked" has to do with all sorts of random things like Lindros getting injured, Forsberg being roughly as good as Lindros turned out to be(although chiefly because of Lindros' injuries) and maybe most importantly the fact that after the trade the Nordiques franchise effectively collapsed and had to be moved to Colorado. It's pretty hard to say a move really worked out for a team if they had to move a few years afterwards. It's not unconnected to the Franchise's eventual success either. There's no chance in hades the Canadiens would have traded Roy to the team if they were still in Quebec City.

The Nordiques essentially had a gun to their head and it majorly screwed up their franchise. The fact that Lindros' injuries and some lucky circumstances that were entirely dependent on their move meant that things sort of evened up talent level doesn't mean the move "worked" or that it should serve as inspiration to anyone.

The Nordiques new before they drafted Lindros that he didn't want to play for them,but they took him anyways because of his trade value.

To say that Lindros got hurt in his carreer,knowbody new that in advance,just like Philly didn't know that Forsberg was going to be a star.

And we don't know everything now about Matthews,how good is he going to be?
Will he be spared of major injuries?
Will he be fully committed to playing in Toronto?

This scares me!  We may have him for 7 years, then, lose him for next to nothing.  Too bad we didn't win last year's lottery instead.

We could always trade Matthews for McDavid 5 or 6 years from now... before we lose him or Edmonton losses McDavid to the Leafs

 

[Al14]

However examples in the past sometimes  has paid off to trade the no.1 like Lindros to Philly for a boatload of prospects and it worked.

Except that's not true for a number of reasons. For starters, the Nordiques didn't trade the #1 pick. They traded Lindros after they'd already drafted him and he refused to play there. Likewise, the measurement by which it "worked" has to do with all sorts of random things like Lindros getting injured, Forsberg being roughly as good as Lindros turned out to be(although chiefly because of Lindros' injuries) and maybe most importantly the fact that after the trade the Nordiques franchise effectively collapsed and had to be moved to Colorado. It's pretty hard to say a move really worked out for a team if they had to move a few years afterwards. It's not unconnected to the Franchise's eventual success either. There's no chance in hades the Canadiens would have traded Roy to the team if they were still in Quebec City.

The Nordiques essentially had a gun to their head and it majorly screwed up their franchise. The fact that Lindros' injuries and some lucky circumstances that were entirely dependent on their move meant that things sort of evened up talent level doesn't mean the move "worked" or that it should serve as inspiration to anyone.

The Nordiques new before they drafted Lindros that he didn't want to play for them,but they took him anyways because of his trade value.

To say that Lindros got hurt in his carreer,knowbody new that in advance,just like Philly didn't know that Forsberg was going to be a star.

And we don't know everything now about Matthews,how good is he going to be?
Will he be spared of major injuries?
Will he be fully committed to playing in Toronto?

This scares me!  We may have him for 7 years, then, lose him for next to nothing.  Too bad we didn't win last year's lottery instead.

We could always trade Matthews for McDavid 5 or 6 years from now... before we lose him or Edmonton losses McDavid to the Leafs

Or, we could trade him to Phoenix now, where he may prefer to be in the long run! 

 

[sneakyray]

you guys make me laugh...if this is that big of a deal maybe the leafs should just forfeit the pick.  I mean, the guy and his coach have both repeatedly said that he is ready to play anywhere and was prepared for the fact that he is coming to canada (prior to the lottery) and now is saying that it will be ahonour if the leafs pick him, its the mecca of hockey, yadda yadda yadda...

but what if hes no good, what if he really doesn't want to play here, what if his ankle blows up?

well...heres my point.  what if the leafs trade for a bunch of good to great prospects who never quite pan out while matthews goes to pheonix and has a hall of fame career.

you don't trade this pick if you are the leafs...period. (the obvious caveat being except for mcdavid, but thats not happening anyways)
the islanders could offer tavares and multiple picks and they would pass.  the habs could offer price and subban and the leafs would pass.  and the coyotes could offer all of there good minor leaguers and young players (already said they won't trade OEL even for matthews) but the leafs won't take it.

I cannot think of any trade outside of mcdavid that the leafs would consider for this pick and I am going on record saying that I will be completely surprised and pretty upset if they trade it and if they pick anyone but matthews.

 

[Capital Leaf]

Hypothetically speaking, if they were to look at trading Matthews for McDavid what else do you think the Leafs would have to give?
Let's say they added their other 1st rounder, plus Gardiner and a top prospect?
Would that be enough?

I would definitely be talking to Edmonton about a deal like this....you have to at least try.  Matthews value will likely never be higher then it is right before the draft....(ie just like Lindros)

 

[jdh1]

Hypothetically speaking, if they were to look at trading Matthews for McDavid what else do you think the Leafs would have to give?
Let's say they added their other 1st rounder, plus Gardiner and a top prospect?
Would that be enough?

I would definitely be talking to Edmonton about a deal like this....you have to at least try.  The value of the 1st Overall Pick will never be higher then it is right before the draft.

It won't happen because the Edmonton fans would go crazy at management for doing that,they are already upset for the way the team was built before McDavid came.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

Hypothetically speaking, if they were to look at trading Matthews for McDavid what else do you think the Leafs would have to give?
Let's say they added their other 1st rounder, plus Gardiner and a top prospect?
Would that be enough?

I would definitely be talking to Edmonton about a deal like this....you have to at least try.  The value of the 1st Overall Pick will never be higher then it is right before the draft.

no that would not be enough.  there's no way the oilers trade mcdavid...i know they seem stupid...mcdavid is as close to a sure thing as you can have in hockey so you're talking about trading him for less of a sure thing plus some spare parts.  I like gardiner but he's definitely not a sure thing so you're getting all these players but the doubt piles up along with it.  I honestly don't think giving them Rielly in his place would be enough and even if it were you'd just be creating another hole that needs replacing on the leafs.  Our top end prospects right now also seem to be mostly forwards which edmonton isn't really short on.  It's D and goaltending they need which is pretty much what we need too.

 

[ulfselrach]

To Oilers: OEL + ???
To Arizona: Matthews + ???
To Leafs: McDavid

Never say never.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

To Oilers: OEL + ???
To Arizona: Matthews + ???
To Leafs: McDavid

Never say never.

Stop huffing cheap paint ya fantasist.

 

[Capital Leaf]

To Oilers: OEL + ???
To Arizona: Matthews + ???
To Leafs: McDavid

Never say never.

We could only dream....but in this scenario only Edmonton deserves ++ players/picks
Arizona should not get anything more then Matthews

 

[bustaheims]

To Oilers: OEL + ???
To Arizona: Matthews + ???
To Leafs: McDavid

Never say never.

Oh, I'll say never. The Oilers aren't trading McDavid unless he asks out or they get the equivalent defenceman in return. They're not going to trade him for OEL/whoever and other lesser pieces.

 

[Kin]

I would definitely be talking to Edmonton about a deal like this....you have to at least try.

I don't necessarily think you really have an obligation to waste both teams' time.

 

[L K]

To Oilers: OEL + ???
To Arizona: Matthews + ???
To Leafs: McDavid

Never say never.

Oh, I'll say never. The Oilers aren't trading McDavid unless he asks out or they get the equivalent defenceman in return. They're not going to trade him for OEL/whoever and other lesser pieces.

McDavid isn't Gretzky but he's also in Year 2 of his career.  You are looking at a Gretzky-like package to get him and I don't see Edmonton coming down with 3 1st round picks + good players in that package.  Those pluses would be massive to make a deal like this happen.

 

[Frank E]

To Oilers: OEL + ???
To Arizona: Matthews + ???
To Leafs: McDavid

Never say never.

Oh, I'll say never. The Oilers aren't trading McDavid unless he asks out or they get the equivalent defenceman in return. They're not going to trade him for OEL/whoever and other lesser pieces.

McDavid isn't Gretzky but he's also in Year 2 of his career.  You are looking at a Gretzky-like package to get him and I don't see Edmonton coming down with 3 1st round picks + good players in that package.  Those pluses would be massive to make a deal like this happen.

Edmonton is in the midst of opening a brand new building.  McJesus isn't going anywhere no matter what you throw at them. 

 

[Highlander]

Forget McDavid and bring on McMatthews, we can trade them out in 7 years.

 

[McGarnagle]

Heh, this started reminding me of the guy at work who constantly blames the leafs for never trading for the best player in the league, who ever he is at the time.

 

[Zee]

McDavid will naturally sign with the Leafs when he's a UFA at what, 26?  Then the Leafs will have McDavid and Matthews in the lineup for our 3rd straight Cup.

 

[L K]

I still lean Matthews on this one but Laine is certainly putting on a show at the IIHF tournament.  Tied for the tournament lead in scoring.

IIHF
Laine - 6GP - 6G 4A 10P
Matthews - 6GP - 3G 3A 6P

World Juniors
Laine - 7GP 7G 6A 13P
Matthews - 7GP 7G 4A 11P

Regular Season
Laine - 46GP - 17G 16A 33P
Matthews - 36GP 24G 22A 46P

Playoffs
Laine - 18GP 10G 5A 15P
Matthews - 4GP 0G 3A 3P

 

[Zee]

I still lean Matthews on this one but:

Laine - 6G 4A 10P in 6 games
Matthews - 3G 3A 6P in 6 games

Finland has a much better team though.