Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
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Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:That's fine, this is sport, not something really important, so people can enjoy it at whatever level they want.
louisstamos said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:That's fine, this is sport, not something really important, so people can enjoy it at whatever level they want.
Exactly that. The thing is with advanced stats (in every sport, not necessarily just hockey), you know when it comes to management and behind the scenes - teams keep track of all those things, and keep personnel to monitor those exact things. Thus, fans who like numbers like to look at those things as well, as it gets them closer to the game/behind the scenes aspects of the game. I myself, being a numbers nerd, really started getting into raw stats and stuff by getting into Fantasy Hockey, and started getting into advanced stats after that. Hilariously enough, I really got deeper into advanced stats after the David Clarkson signing backfired, because I thought it was a good signing at the time based on his "intangibles" (grit, leadership, etc), while most of the AS community did not like the signing, and in the end he ended up being awful. At that point, I was like "maybe these guys are really onto something."
But yeah, if you want to watch the game and not think about anything beyond basic numbers (goals & assists), that's fine. If you want to dwelve into the effectiveness of players based on their advanced numbers, that's fine too. There's no need for one to poo-poo the other for any reason. If anything, it makes for more interesting debates (i.e: the eye test vs analytics debate over Jake Gardiner for years)
Peter D. said:I'm actually with nutman on this one.
Advanced stats suck some charm out of sport. Especially in baseball.
nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
CarltonTheBear said:nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?
CarltonTheBear said:nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?
CarltonTheBear said:nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?
bustaheims said:CarltonTheBear said:nutman said:Zee said:I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.
But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.
Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?
It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.
bustaheims said:It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.
Nik the Trik said:Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.
Bullfrog said:Nik the Trik said:Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.
When I watch Gardiner play, I just know how it makes me feel.....man.
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By the Matrix...CarltonTheBear said:An update on the Athletic:
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