Mitch Marner: what now?
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Guilt Trip
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He's definitely been media driven. We will see who goes first in a few months or before.Zee said:
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Guilt Trip said:
When Darren Ferris came out and said Matthews contract was the best in the league you knew all agents were licking their chops waiting for the Marner deal. Any of the 2019 crop that signs before Mitch has a stupid agent and is costing them money. I predict Mitch will be the highest number of any of the guys coming up this summer.
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Bullfrog said:
I remember some discussion about paying him as a winger, but his agent maybe arguing he's a centre and should be paid accordingly (Draisaitl comp). He certainly ran a line in his first abbreviated season on a tanking team; he had 6/7/13 in 22 games, which prorates to 48 pts over 82, which would have tied him with the team lead for points (Kadri: 45 pts/76 games), and team lead for goals over Parenteau (probably not, because if Nylander was dishing to Parenteau all season, PA would've had 30+ goals).
Marner doesn't have the centre tag, and really has never been on his own line without significant offensively gifted veterans on his line (JvR, Bozak, Kadri, Tavares). No one on the Leafs right now has had as plum a deployment as Marner (Hyman is a close second as he doesn't get the PP time).
I really don't see any team giving him over $10.56mil and losing four 1st rounders. Maybe "visiting" other teams will be the reality check that he needs.
mr grieves
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CarltonTheBear said:
One hopes.
If he's set on $10.5m+ and isn't interested in a bridge, I think the Leafs are going to have their hand forced. As Steve Burtch suggested on Twitter, there's no organizational value to the Leafs getting Marner under Kane's current contract and becoming the Hawks of recent years.
What are some similar trades--top-end, unsigned RFA traded--over the last few years? I can only think of the Bruins moving Kessel and Hamilton.
If he's insistent on ridiculous money yet cannot find an acceptable offer sheet from another team, the Leafs should just let him sit out the year and deal with him once Marleau's contract is off the books. That way they can sign everyone else they need.
I think the team probably takes a step back this upcoming year either way. If they sign Marner for ridiculous money, they lose Kapanen and/or Johnsson, Gardiner, etc, and are unable to replace them with comparable talent. Or, they lose Marner for a year yet keep the supporting cast.
If the Marner talks drag on it impacts the team's ability to deal with their other players effectively. How do you know what to do with Johnsson or Kapanen when you don't have Marner signed.
Maybe things will all work out but I'm starting to get concerned about the ability of this team to make all the pieces fit.
I think the team probably takes a step back this upcoming year either way. If they sign Marner for ridiculous money, they lose Kapanen and/or Johnsson, Gardiner, etc, and are unable to replace them with comparable talent. Or, they lose Marner for a year yet keep the supporting cast.
If the Marner talks drag on it impacts the team's ability to deal with their other players effectively. How do you know what to do with Johnsson or Kapanen when you don't have Marner signed.
Maybe things will all work out but I'm starting to get concerned about the ability of this team to make all the pieces fit.
ZBBM
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This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.
I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!" It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.
I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!" It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Usually I'd agree with this idea but it sure seems likely that at least some of the things Dreger has said in regards to Marner has come straight from his agent. So we don't know if this was mouthpiece-Dreger or just speculating-Dreger.
disco said:
2 things come to mind here:
1. I listened from the 5:50 mark on and Dreger absolutely did not say that the negotiations are expected to go past July 1st. They might go that long but the article suggests that this is Marner Camp's desire. In no way did Dreger say that Marner is interested in visiting other teams
2. If in fact this is true, this reeks to me as an agent planting a story to increase the likelihood that the Leafs panic and overpay.
This appears to me at least to be a whole lot of nothing.
mr grieves
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Bill_Berg said:
"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."
I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).
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