Nicolas Deschamps to Washington for Kevin Marshall

[rdowdall]

Seems like a nothing move today.  Hopefully we can look back on this in a little while like we are the Fraser trade.

If Holzer, Kostka, Fraser, and Marshall are all on this team I'm leaving.

If you don't accept mediocre dman, did you accept mediocre forwards like steen, stajan, tlusty, kulemin?

Your hatred of Kulemin is fascinating.  And St. Louis sure hates Steen while Carolina is just aggravated with Tlusty.

I thought the same thing. None of those 3 are mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.

I believe he's saying that he should have complained about those guys when we had them. And at that time they were very mediocre to bad at that time. Obviously after we trade those players 2 of them got much better than they were for us.

Yes.  It was a thing called development.  They gave up on a guy with 2 40+ point seasons under his belt at the age of 24.  Cliff Fletcher made a stupid reactionary trade because he was incompetent as GM during his interim phase.

And Tlusty was a stupid trade from Burke.  He decided that there was no room for Tlusty and traded him for a guy who size and limited skill because Deschampes had more "truculence".  So we gave up a guy who has comfortably produced on Carolina's top 6 while being responsible defensively for a garbage AHLer.  Burke gave up on him at the age of 21.

It's impatience and bad asset management.  Granted Kulemin is 26 and not incredibly young, but the guy is playing defensively strong hockey and not getting offensive opportunities and is still playing like a 35-40 point player.  Bad asset management if we trade him.

While I don't disagree that the Leafs really are poor when it comes to asset management, if they trade Kulemin for something that is better than what they already have, then that would not be poor asset management.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Seems like a nothing move today.  Hopefully we can look back on this in a little while like we are the Fraser trade.

If Holzer, Kostka, Fraser, and Marshall are all on this team I'm leaving.

If you don't accept mediocre dman, did you accept mediocre forwards like steen, stajan, tlusty, kulemin?

Others have already chimed in here, but yeah, no.

All of the players that you listed were recent first or second round draft picks that played their first seasons in the NHL on this team. They all had top-6 potential and 3 of them have reached that, while the other (Stajan) is still a serviceable NHL player. And with the exception of Tlusty, I wouldn't have ever called those players mediocre while they were Leafs.

The defencemen that I listed are all bottom-pairing defencemen with bottom-pairing defenceman upside. There's really no comparison.

 

[leafplasma]

Seems like a nothing move today.  Hopefully we can look back on this in a little while like we are the Fraser trade.

If Holzer, Kostka, Fraser, and Marshall are all on this team I'm leaving.

If you don't accept mediocre dman, did you accept mediocre forwards like steen, stajan, tlusty, kulemin?

Your hatred of Kulemin is fascinating.  And St. Louis sure hates Steen while Carolina is just aggravated with Tlusty.

I thought the same thing. None of those 3 are mediocre by any stretch of the imagination.

I believe he's saying that he should have complained about those guys when we had them. And at that time they were very mediocre to bad at that time. Obviously after we trade those players 2 of them got much better than they were for us.

Yes.  It was a thing called development.  They gave up on a guy with 2 40+ point seasons under his belt at the age of 24.  Cliff Fletcher made a stupid reactionary trade because he was incompetent as GM during his interim phase.

And Tlusty was a stupid trade from Burke.  He decided that there was no room for Tlusty and traded him for a guy who size and limited skill because Deschampes had more "truculence".  So we gave up a guy who has comfortably produced on Carolina's top 6 while being responsible defensively for a garbage AHLer.  Burke gave up on him at the age of 21.

It's impatience and bad asset management.  Granted Kulemin is 26 and not incredibly young, but the guy is playing defensively strong hockey and not getting offensive opportunities and is still playing like a 35-40 point player.  Bad asset management if we trade him.

Not following you hear but maybe I am reading this wrong.  Tlusty was traded to Carolina for Paradis and Deschamps was traded from Anaheim for Caputi.  The way you state it hear it sounds as if you remember Tlusty being traded for Deschamps which wasn't the case.

EDIT: Uugggh I need to read the rest of a thread before I chime in, sorry for the repeat guys.