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[maplesyrup]

Burke confirmed Philly asked for Schenn and Kadri for Mike Richards last summer and he declined, correct?  :-\ In hindsight, I think I'd have done that. Good on both the PP and PK and likes to get physical.

It was Kulemin and Kadri.

I would have done it also.  Richards is a heck of a hockey player.  Real solid 2-ways.  Leader, center, etc.

A lot of people say whoever gets the best player wins the trade and Mike Richards is clearly the best player in the deal (cue nutman!).

Right. Kulemin and Kadri... Yeah, I still would have had liked to make that deal. To be honest, I think if Burke had known Frattin was a viable NHL option and Lombardi would be in the line-up as much as he has been, I think he might have done it... Or, at least he should have.

Edit:

Lupul / M. Richards / Kessel
MacArthur / Grabovski / Frattin (or maybe other guy signed w/Connolly $)
Lombardi / Bozak / Armstrong
Crabb(Boyce) / Steckel / Brown

* sigh *

 

[Corn Flake]

Burke confirmed Philly asked for Schenn and Kadri for Mike Richards last summer and he declined, correct?  :-\ In hindsight, I think I'd have done that. Good on both the PP and PK and likes to get physical.

It was Kulemin and Kadri.

I would have done it also.  Richards is a heck of a hockey player.  Real solid 2-ways.  Leader, center, etc.

A lot of people say whoever gets the best player wins the trade and Mike Richards is clearly the best player in the deal (cue nutman!).

Right. Kulemin and Kadri... Yeah, I still would have had liked to make that deal. To be honest, I think if Burke had known Frattin was a viable NHL option and Lombardi would be in the line-up as much as he has been, I think he might have done it... Or, at least he should have.

I think with a bit of hindsight its a better deal.  Most were all about Kuelmin being the best winger on the team (arguably) and I think we all assumed he would take another step forward this year.  Since it hasn't happened and he has regressed offensively, moving him makes more sense now.

 

[maplesyrup]

* see above edit *  :-\

 

[Zee]

Not happy at all that we let a team on a back to back night totally manhandle us.  Yes Reimer was at fault for the 3rd goal, and the 2nd goal should never have counted, but still the Leafs should have been in control of the game.  A must-win game like that and the Leafs fall short, doesn't bode well for the playoffs down the stretch.

I really don't know what changes Burke can make to help this team out.  Well I do, but it's not player related.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Not happy at all that we let a team on a back to back night totally manhandle us.  Yes Reimer was at fault for the 3rd goal, and the 2nd goal should never have counted, but still the Leafs should have been in control of the game.  A must-win game like that and the Leafs fall short, doesn't bode well for the playoffs down the stretch.

I really don't know what changes Burke can make to help this team out.  Well I do, but it's not player related.

How did they manhandle us?  I thought we dominated them for most of the game.

 

[Zee]

Not happy at all that we let a team on a back to back night totally manhandle us.  Yes Reimer was at fault for the 3rd goal, and the 2nd goal should never have counted, but still the Leafs should have been in control of the game.  A must-win game like that and the Leafs fall short, doesn't bode well for the playoffs down the stretch.

I really don't know what changes Burke can make to help this team out.  Well I do, but it's not player related.

How did they manhandle us?  I thought we dominated them for most of the game.

Sens 3 - Leafs 2.  Leafs couldn't get a thing going in the 3rd period when they needed it.  It was a reverse of the teams from the old Leafs/Sens playoff days where the Leafs used to get timely goaltending and good physical play to win games.  The fact that Foligno was able to lowbridge Phaneuf without a single guy on the ice getting in his face immediately afterward was distressing.  That's only your captain he almost injured.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

You still failed to explain how they 'manhandled' us.  Like I said, we dominated the vast majority of that game, and Ottawa scored on a weak wrist shot to win it, after scoring on a very debatable tying goal.  I fail to see how weak goaltending/bad luck has to do with being manhandled, nor do I feel like when we were all over Ottawa for vast stretches of the game that we were being manhandled.  And I am certainly not going to take no one fighting Foligno after the clipping play as evidence of being manhandled - in fact I'm glad we took the PP out of it and that Phaneuf settled his score afterwards.

 

[Zee]

You still failed to explain how they 'manhandled' us.  Like I said, we dominated the vast majority of that game, and Ottawa scored on a weak wrist shot to win it, after scoring on a very debatable tying goal.  I fail to see how weak goaltending/bad luck has to do with being manhandled, nor do I feel like when we were all over Ottawa for vast stretches of the game that we were being manhandled.  And I am certainly not going to take no one fighting Foligno after the clipping play as evidence of being manhandled - in fact I'm glad we took the PP out of it and that Phaneuf settled his score afterwards.

The Foligno incident is a bad indication of this team's mentality.  Remember back in the days when the Leafs would pound the crap out of the Sens, they would take the PPs instead of fighting back and yet the Leafs won the playoff series.  Now the Leafs are content to let their captain almost get his knees taken out without anyone immediately jumping the guy that did it.  That is pathetic.  But hey, we got the PP.

 

[sneakyray]

Burke confirmed Philly asked for Schenn and Kadri for Mike Richards last summer and he declined, correct?  :-\ In hindsight, I think I'd have done that. Good on both the PP and PK and likes to get physical.

It was Kulemin and Kadri.

I would have done it also.  Richards is a heck of a hockey player.  Real solid 2-ways.  Leader, center, etc.

A lot of people say whoever gets the best player wins the trade and Mike Richards is clearly the best player in the deal (cue nutman!).

the problem is it wasn't enough (according to the sun) so would you have done kadri, kulemin +?

 

[TML fan]

You still failed to explain how they 'manhandled' us.  Like I said, we dominated the vast majority of that game, and Ottawa scored on a weak wrist shot to win it, after scoring on a very debatable tying goal.  I fail to see how weak goaltending/bad luck has to do with being manhandled, nor do I feel like when we were all over Ottawa for vast stretches of the game that we were being manhandled.  And I am certainly not going to take no one fighting Foligno after the clipping play as evidence of being manhandled - in fact I'm glad we took the PP out of it and that Phaneuf settled his score afterwards.

The Foligno incident is a bad indication of this team's mentality.  Remember back in the days when the Leafs would pound the crap out of the Sens, they would take the PPs instead of fighting back and yet the Leafs won the playoff series.  Now the Leafs are content to let their captain almost get his knees taken out without anyone immediately jumping the guy that did it.  That is pathetic.  But hey, we got the PP.

Remember we also used to lose evey regular season game by at least 7 goals?

Things happen differently in the playoffs. Winning the game was more important, and retribution is a shallow victory.

Besides, Foligno got his.

 

[Zee]

You still failed to explain how they 'manhandled' us.  Like I said, we dominated the vast majority of that game, and Ottawa scored on a weak wrist shot to win it, after scoring on a very debatable tying goal.  I fail to see how weak goaltending/bad luck has to do with being manhandled, nor do I feel like when we were all over Ottawa for vast stretches of the game that we were being manhandled.  And I am certainly not going to take no one fighting Foligno after the clipping play as evidence of being manhandled - in fact I'm glad we took the PP out of it and that Phaneuf settled his score afterwards.

The Foligno incident is a bad indication of this team's mentality.  Remember back in the days when the Leafs would pound the crap out of the Sens, they would take the PPs instead of fighting back and yet the Leafs won the playoff series.  Now the Leafs are content to let their captain almost get his knees taken out without anyone immediately jumping the guy that did it.  That is pathetic.  But hey, we got the PP.

Remember we also used to lose evey regular season game by at least 7 goals?

Things happen differently in the playoffs. Winning the game was more important, and retribution is a shallow victory.

Besides, Foligno got his.

That was due to the fact that they let more go in the playoffs and the Leafs were able to play more physical against the Sens.  This time it would be reversed with the Sens able to play a more physical game against the Leafs.  That's if the Leafs even make the playoffs, which is looking more doubtful with each loss.

 

[Madferret]

Zed - it's one loss...there is still a ton of hockey left.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Zed - it's one loss...there is still a ton of hockey left.

I think you've been around these boards enough to know what happens the day after a loss, right?

 

[Madferret]

Zed - it's one loss...there is still a ton of hockey left.

I think you've been around these boards enough to know what happens the day after a loss, right?

I understand yeah..

 

[Tigger]

Burke confirmed Philly asked for Schenn and Kadri for Mike Richards last summer and he declined, correct?  :-\ In hindsight, I think I'd have done that. Good on both the PP and PK and likes to get physical.

It was Kulemin and Kadri.

I would have done it also.  Richards is a heck of a hockey player.  Real solid 2-ways.  Leader, center, etc.

A lot of people say whoever gets the best player wins the trade and Mike Richards is clearly the best player in the deal (cue nutman!).

the problem is it wasn't enough (according to the sun) so would you have done kadri, kulemin +?

I thought that was Burke deciding against making the deal rather than it not being enough?

 

[bustaheims]

Burke confirmed Philly asked for Schenn and Kadri for Mike Richards last summer and he declined, correct?  :-\ In hindsight, I think I'd have done that. Good on both the PP and PK and likes to get physical.

As covered, it was Kulemin, not Schenn, and, as the story we were presented goes, he told Holmgren he had to think about it/consult with the rest of the management team/whatever, but to call him back before he accepted another deal. Holmgren then accepted LA's offer without getting back to Burke.

 

[Kin]

It was Kulemin and Kadri.

I would have done it also.  Richards is a heck of a hockey player.  Real solid 2-ways.  Leader, center, etc.

A lot of people say whoever gets the best player wins the trade and Mike Richards is clearly the best player in the deal (cue nutman!).

It's obviously a little easier to say it now with Kadri still a work in progress and Kulemin having trouble scoring but I said at the time that the Richards deal was one that the Leafs should have been all over.

I have a suspicion that if the Burke era ends up being something of a failure that this off-season, where the team desperately needed that #1 centre, there were some available and nothing got done, is going to be seen as a turning point.

 

[maplesyrup]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

 

[Kin]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

Um, no. No, he got that one out of the way early.

 

[maplesyrup]

Is NOT doing the Kulemin + Kadri for Richards deal Burke's biggest blunder so far?

Um, no. No, he got that one out of the way early.

Oh yeah, right... Thinking his team was better than it was when he did the Kessel deal. Fair enough. Mike Richards #2 then?