Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[Madferret]

Poor Schenn. :[

 

[Jalili]

Trade

Tank Nation resurrected!

this loss tonight does kind of feel like the loss to the canucks on saturday night a few years ago when burke blew up the team on sunday morning trading half the team for phaneuf and the other half for giguere.

I would say the keepers on the team are Kessel, Phaneuf, Schenn and Kadri in that order.  Everyone else I wouldn't miss.

I don't know what people see in Schenn. I would not miss him at all. Gunnarson is the main part of the defensive d-man.

Schenn has everything Gunnarson has and he brings a physical element which Gunnarson lacks.

If you ignore the fact that Gunnarsson is a much better defensive player than Schenn, then maybe.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If you ignore the fact that Gunnarsson is a much better defensive player than Schenn, then maybe.

And has some sort of offensive game.

 

[Rebel_1812]

If you ignore the fact that Gunnarsson is a much better defensive player than Schenn, then maybe.

And has some sort of offensive game.

what change a year can bring.  No one would have said Gunnarsson was hands down better then Schenn last year.  He is having an off year, and I think the playing around with his ice time might have something to do with it.  So would you people trade Schenn for Gunnarsson straight up?  I sure wouldn't.

 

[sneakyray]

If you ignore the fact that Gunnarsson is a much better defensive player than Schenn, then maybe.

And has some sort of offensive game.

what change a year can bring.  No one would have said Gunnarsson was hands down better then Schenn last year.  He is having an off year, and I think the playing around with his ice time might have something to do with it.  So would you people trade Schenn for Gunnarsson straight up?  I sure wouldn't.

but I will say that if schenn gets traded then the team that gets him will probably be disappointed.

and if a team gets gunner...they will probably be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Zee]

Trade

Tank Nation resurrected!

this loss tonight does kind of feel like the loss to the canucks on saturday night a few years ago when burke blew up the team on sunday morning trading half the team for phaneuf and the other half for giguere.

I would say the keepers on the team are Kessel, Phaneuf, Schenn and Kadri in that order.  Everyone else I wouldn't miss.

I don't know what people see in Schenn. I would not miss him at all. Gunnarson is the main part of the defensive d-man.

Schenn has everything Gunnarson has and he brings a physical element which Gunnarson lacks.

Gunnarson makes whomever he plays with better.  If you pair a defenseman with Gunnarson, suddenly that dman looks and plays a lot better.  Schenn doesn't do that for anyone.  He's so slow.

 

[Zee]

Screw Burke that's what I say. Maybe it's all the booze talking cause I'm half hammered from Chinese New Year but I'm expecting another non playoff year. Can't wait to hear all the excuses Burke pulls out this time and how "upset" he is Leafs didn't make it again.

I think it would really stick it to Burke if you protested his tenure by refusing to post about the Leafs for a whole week.  It'll be like your own personal Wikipedia blackout.

Thus, I do not expect a reply to this post.

Not a chance.  Burke has to answer for this mess if and when it comes crashing down.

 

[Madferret]

Why do you guys immediately want to trade players who are playing well?

 

[TML fan]

It basically works like this:

Leafs draft player. Fans think player is awesome. Player plays ok. Fans think player is awesome and would never trade him. Player starts playing really well. Player is kinda good, but X player is better so we can package player with Y prospect for X player. X player comes to Leafs, fails to live up to ridiculous expectations. Player and Y prospect do well with new teams and Leafs GM is labelled incompetent fool who ruined franchise for next 40 years.

 

[Bullfrog]

Why do you guys immediately want to trade players who are playing well?

Because by trading him, we might be able to get a player that plays as well as him!

 

[Tigger]

Screw Burke that's what I say. Maybe it's all the booze talking cause I'm half hammered from Chinese New Year but I'm expecting another non playoff year. Can't wait to hear all the excuses Burke pulls out this time and how "upset" he is Leafs didn't make it again.

I think it would really stick it to Burke if you protested his tenure by refusing to post about the Leafs for a whole week.  It'll be like your own personal Wikipedia blackout.

Thus, I do not expect a reply to this post.

Not a chance.  Burke has to answer for this mess if and when it comes crashing down.

How long does drinkin' go on on Chinese new year? 

In all seriousness though nothing is going to crash in a week, you can do it!!

 

[Zee]

Screw Burke that's what I say. Maybe it's all the booze talking cause I'm half hammered from Chinese New Year but I'm expecting another non playoff year. Can't wait to hear all the excuses Burke pulls out this time and how "upset" he is Leafs didn't make it again.

I think it would really stick it to Burke if you protested his tenure by refusing to post about the Leafs for a whole week.  It'll be like your own personal Wikipedia blackout.

Thus, I do not expect a reply to this post.

Not a chance.  Burke has to answer for this mess if and when it comes crashing down.

How long does drinkin' go on on Chinese new year? 

In all seriousness though nothing is going to crash in a week, you can do it!!

Watch how many join in the flogging of the Leafs over the all star break if they lose the next 2 games.

 

[Tigger]

Watch how many join in the flogging of the Leafs over the all star break if they lose the next 2 games.

Naw, that's all you. Kind of disappointed though but I still think you can do it!

 

[Zee]

Watch how many join in the flogging of the Leafs over the all star break if they lose the next 2 games.

Naw, that's all you. Kind of disappointed though but I still think you can do it!

You'll even see the wrath of nutman should the Leafs flounder.

 

[Madferret]

It basically works like this:

Leafs draft player. Fans think player is awesome. Player plays ok. Fans think player is awesome and would never trade him. Player starts playing really well. Player is kinda good, but X player is better so we can package player with Y prospect for X player. X player comes to Leafs, fails to live up to ridiculous expectations. Player and Y prospect do well with new teams and Leafs GM is labelled incompetent fool who ruined franchise for next 40 years.

Rinse & repeat

 

[bustaheims]

Why do you guys immediately want to trade players who are playing well?

Impatience. I mean, who needs patience when you're building a team, right?

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Why do you guys immediately want to trade players who are playing well?

Impatience. I mean, who needs patience when you're building a team, right?

Fast rebuild, blow hard Burke coined the term, not us. We were all prepared for tank nation long rebuild through draft.

 

[Tigger]

Why do you guys immediately want to trade players who are playing well?

Impatience. I mean, who needs patience when you're building a team, right?

Fast rebuild, blow hard Burke coined the term, not us. We were all prepared for tank nation long rebuild through draft.

I don't believe that for a second, who's this 'we' you're talking about?

...but, y'know, caveat emptor 'n such...

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If you ignore the fact that Gunnarsson is a much better defensive player than Schenn, then maybe.

And has some sort of offensive game.

what change a year can bring.  No one would have said Gunnarsson was hands down better then Schenn last year.  He is having an off year, and I think the playing around with his ice time might have something to do with it.  So would you people trade Schenn for Gunnarsson straight up?  I sure wouldn't.

Considering both players are relatively new to the NHL, yeah one year can make a big difference. Gunnarsson has taken a large step forward and is currently playing at a level that Schenn has never been at. Even still, this isn't something that has suddenly happened just now. Schenn has had many ups and downs in his career and has yet to consistently play a solid game for long stretches of time.

Realistically, if Schenn was Gunnar's size this wouldn't even be a conversation. Gunnar can skate, pass, and shoot better then Schenn. He can play in all situations, whereas Schenn is a non-factor on the PP. And Gunnarsson seems to have better hockey sense and decision making skills, which is arguably Schenn's biggest issue.

I know it sounds like I'm bashing Schenn, but I'm not. I just think it's time to realize he's likely not going to be the next Stevens or Foote.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

I know it sounds like I'm bashing Schenn, but I'm not. I just think it's time to realize he's likely not going to be the next Stevens or Foote.

Just out of curiousity, does anybody know how Adam Foote's first few seasons in the league went? I see he didn't start until he was 20 years old, but it is impossible to tell from stats how effective a player like that was and at what age he came into his own.