Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[hockeyfan1]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1579590-leafs-d-liles-sprains-ankle-out-day-to-day-should-leafs-look-at-bouwmeester

Anyone agree?

 

[Deebo]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1579590-leafs-d-liles-sprains-ankle-out-day-to-day-should-leafs-look-at-bouwmeester

Anyone agree?

Over 6 million next season is pretty steep.

 

[TML fan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1579590-leafs-d-liles-sprains-ankle-out-day-to-day-should-leafs-look-at-bouwmeester

Anyone agree?

I do, but I don't think the Leafs have the pieces necessary to make it happen.

EDIT: after reading the article, if the Flames are indeed looking for expiring contracts, the Leafs may be right up their alley.

 

[MBC]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1579590-leafs-d-liles-sprains-ankle-out-day-to-day-should-leafs-look-at-bouwmeester

Anyone agree?

Love the player.  Do not love the contract.  But of course it all depends the actual price of acquisition.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I love Bleacher Report. What a reaction for a day-to-day injury.

With that said, I've always really likely J-Bo. He's ridiculously overpaid and doesn't provide the offence that may hoped that he would in the NHL, but like the article says he's still a workhorse out there. And like Phaneuf, he's a lefty that also plays the right side (or at least he is this season). That's interesting because he and Phaneuf could form quite the top pairing if one of them goes to the left, but he also could be a very ideal partner for Jake Gardiner on the second pairing.

He also only has one year left on his deal, although the cap hit for that is pretty high. With the cap going down for next season it might make things tight. Of course buying out Komisarek would really help with that. Liles would have to go too as he wouldn't even have a spot on the team anymore with the trade. He has a limited NTC so I doubt he accepts a move to Calgary.

Yeah, as long as the Leafs aren't giving up any first round picks or top prospects, I'd definitely be down. I have no idea if Calgary would be alright with that though.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I think a lot of people have taken the whole "1st round pick equivalent" thing to mean something other than what Burke said. I think this is because of the context of the time at which Burke said it, when the Leafs had surrendered a top 3 pick.

Given Tyler Bozak's production and his NHL service to date, I think we'd all be pretty happy if the Leafs picked him say, 24th in the draft. Considering how many first round picks don't even make the NHL, and the likelihood of that decreasing in every subsequent round, I'd say Bozak is someone who would have likely been picked in the first round had he been drafted.

I think, though, that's only true if you're looking at what Burke said with the benefit of hindsight as opposed to taking what he said when he said it. While there's an extent to which you should be happy if any drafted prospect turns into a useful NHL player, regardless of where he's drafted if what we're seeing from him is Bozak's ceiling then I don't think I would be happy with drafting someone with that kind of ceiling in the first round. When you call someone the equivalent of a 1st rounder before we've seen them you're saying that you're adding someone comparable to a 1st round prospect.

It's not saying "He has the chance to be a decent NHL player and, in the end, isn't that an ok result from a first round pick?" mainly because that's no more true of a 1st rounder than it is a 2nd or 3rd.

Fair point. I suppose it depends on what your definition of a first round prospect is. Or perhaps Bozak was projected with a higher ceiling, in which case I guess he'd be considered a first round bust.

Just so I am clear with the opinions here - you don't think Bozak who was signed April 2009 would be considered a 1st round prospect, even a 24th, compared to the other 2009 draft picks?    Bozak has 124 pts in 224 games. 

There is only 3 players from that whole draft that have more points and they all have more games:
#1 Tavares 235 pts in 275 games
#3 Duchene 181 pts in 248 games
#4 E. Kane 147 pts in 245 games

The only other 2009 forward in the top ten that probably has a higher ceiling is Toronto's Kadri.

Am I misunderstanding the argument?

 

[TML fan]

I think a lot of people have taken the whole "1st round pick equivalent" thing to mean something other than what Burke said. I think this is because of the context of the time at which Burke said it, when the Leafs had surrendered a top 3 pick.

Given Tyler Bozak's production and his NHL service to date, I think we'd all be pretty happy if the Leafs picked him say, 24th in the draft. Considering how many first round picks don't even make the NHL, and the likelihood of that decreasing in every subsequent round, I'd say Bozak is someone who would have likely been picked in the first round had he been drafted.

I think, though, that's only true if you're looking at what Burke said with the benefit of hindsight as opposed to taking what he said when he said it. While there's an extent to which you should be happy if any drafted prospect turns into a useful NHL player, regardless of where he's drafted if what we're seeing from him is Bozak's ceiling then I don't think I would be happy with drafting someone with that kind of ceiling in the first round. When you call someone the equivalent of a 1st rounder before we've seen them you're saying that you're adding someone comparable to a 1st round prospect.

It's not saying "He has the chance to be a decent NHL player and, in the end, isn't that an ok result from a first round pick?" mainly because that's no more true of a 1st rounder than it is a 2nd or 3rd.

Fair point. I suppose it depends on what your definition of a first round prospect is. Or perhaps Bozak was projected with a higher ceiling, in which case I guess he'd be considered a first round bust.

Just so I am clear with the opinions here - you don't think Bozak who was signed April 2009 would be considered a 1st round prospect, even a 24th, compared to the other 2009 draft picks?    Bozak has 124 pts in 224 games. 

There is only 3 players from that whole draft that have more points and they all have more games:
#1 Tavares 235 pts in 275 games
#3 Duchene 181 pts in 248 games
#4 E. Kane 147 pts in 245 games

The only other 2009 forward in the top ten that probably has a higher ceiling is Toronto's Kadri.

Am I misunderstanding the argument?

I think you're misunderstanding my end of the argument, yes.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I love Bleacher Report. What a reaction for a day-to-day injury.

With that said, I've always really likely J-Bo. He's ridiculously overpaid and doesn't provide the offence that may hoped that he would in the NHL, but like the article says he's still a workhorse out there. And like Phaneuf, he's a lefty that also plays the right side (or at least he is this season). That's interesting because he and Phaneuf could form quite the top pairing if one of them goes to the left, but he also could be a very ideal partner for Jake Gardiner on the second pairing.

He also only has one year left on his deal, although the cap hit for that is pretty high. With the cap going down for next season it might make things tight. Of course buying out Komisarek would really help with that. Liles would have to go too as he wouldn't even have a spot on the team anymore with the trade. He has a limited NTC so I doubt he accepts a move to Calgary.

Yeah, as long as the Leafs aren't giving up any first round picks or top prospects, I'd definitely be down. I have no idea if Calgary would be alright with that though.

I believe that CF's suggestion of O'Byrne for the 2nd pairing dman is the best option.  For the top pairing I would wait.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Am I misunderstanding the argument?

I think you're misunderstanding my end of the argument, yes.

Oh.  OK. 

 

[maplesyrup]

Nashville strikes me as a great place to look for defensemen should they decide they need help at forward which they probably do.

 

[Bender]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NHL_Entry_Draft

If we use this as an example of his draft class then he actually compares pretty favourably overall. If the draft was weak then I'm not sure you can say he's disappointing - maybe he's weak as being part of a draft class that was weaker than others in comparison (like 2003 or 2005).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Nashville strikes me as a great place to look for defensemen should they decide they need help at forward which they probably do.

Anyone in particular? Because I don't see really anything there. Weber isn't going anywhere. Josi is being groomed as the new Suter and isn't going anywhere. Blum is looking like he won't be anything special. Ellis doesn't help us at all. Klein was just signed to a 5-year extension. Hannan is a shell of his former self and Gill isn't getting any younger either.

 

[maplesyrup]

I was thinking Klein or Blum.

 

[bustaheims]

I was thinking Klein or Blum.

Klein's not going anywhere and Blum really isn't what the Leafs need. He's neither a good puckmover nor a real solid stay at home type. He might come cheap, but there's a good reason for that.

Overall, I'd prefer it if the Leafs stayed out of the rental market completely (unless they're getting guys that are basically free) and probably out of the trade market approaching the deadline in general. It's a sellers' market right now because so many teams are still in the playoff hunt, and likely still will be when the deadline rolls around in 10 days. On top of that, the pieces that are likely available all come with some pretty big warts - too big for the price it will likely take to acquire them. The team is better off standing pat now and filling holes at the draft and over the summer. Unless a can't miss deal comes around, I'd be perfectly okay if the team did basically nothing.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I believe that CF's suggestion of O'Byrne for the 2nd pairing dman is the best option.  For the top pairing I would wait.

If J-Bo gave any indication that he'd be willing to re-sign with the team (at a lower rate of course), I'd actually be fine with moving Gunnarsson for him. And I'm a big Gunnarsson fan. Trade for a guy like O'Byrne (I'd also be happy with Robidas) to play with Gardiner and we have a pretty good looking defence.

Again, no idea how likely any of these things would be, just playing fantasy GM.

 

[princedpw]

I certainly think JBo would improve the team.  However, Calgary would want a lot in return for him.  Surely our 1st rounder +.  In any trade for JBo, you'd have to do so very careful calculations concerning cap space for next year. Eyeballing it, it would be tight.  I'm guessing re-signing Bozak and Mac would be impossible.  Obviously Komi and Liles would both have to be bought out (or perhaps traded in Liles case).

 

[maplesyrup]

Overall, I'd prefer it if the Leafs stayed out of the rental market completely (unless they're getting guys that are basically free) and probably out of the trade market approaching the deadline in general. It's a sellers' market right now because so many teams are still in the playoff hunt, and likely still will be when the deadline rolls around in 10 days. On top of that, the pieces that are likely available all come with some pretty big warts - too big for the price it will likely take to acquire them. The team is better off standing pat now and filling holes at the draft and over the summer. Unless a can't miss deal comes around, I'd be perfectly okay if the team did basically nothing.

I'd be okay with that too. That said, I'd like to flip Mac and Bozak rather than lose them for nothing.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I think a lot of people have taken the whole "1st round pick equivalent" thing to mean something other than what Burke said. I think this is because of the context of the time at which Burke said it, when the Leafs had surrendered a top 3 pick.

Given Tyler Bozak's production and his NHL service to date, I think we'd all be pretty happy if the Leafs picked him say, 24th in the draft. Considering how many first round picks don't even make the NHL, and the likelihood of that decreasing in every subsequent round, I'd say Bozak is someone who would have likely been picked in the first round had he been drafted.

I think, though, that's only true if you're looking at what Burke said with the benefit of hindsight as opposed to taking what he said when he said it. While there's an extent to which you should be happy if any drafted prospect turns into a useful NHL player, regardless of where he's drafted if what we're seeing from him is Bozak's ceiling then I don't think I would be happy with drafting someone with that kind of ceiling in the first round. When you call someone the equivalent of a 1st rounder before we've seen them you're saying that you're adding someone comparable to a 1st round prospect.

It's not saying "He has the chance to be a decent NHL player and, in the end, isn't that an ok result from a first round pick?" mainly because that's no more true of a 1st rounder than it is a 2nd or 3rd.

Fair point. I suppose it depends on what your definition of a first round prospect is. Or perhaps Bozak was projected with a higher ceiling, in which case I guess he'd be considered a first round bust.

Just so I am clear with the opinions here - you don't think Bozak who was signed April 2009 would be considered a 1st round prospect, even a 24th, compared to the other 2009 draft picks?    Bozak has 124 pts in 224 games. 

There is only 3 players from that whole draft that have more points and they all have more games:
#1 Tavares 235 pts in 275 games
#3 Duchene 181 pts in 248 games
#4 E. Kane 147 pts in 245 games

The only other 2009 forward in the top ten that probably has a higher ceiling is Toronto's Kadri.

Am I misunderstanding the argument?

not a fair comparable since bozak was older then players in the draft class of when he was signed.  He went right onto a NHL team because he had finished his NCAA career; whereas most of the players in that draft have to play several seasons in the minors before they can start getting NHL games and points.  Try comparing bozak to those in what would have been his draft class if he played.

 

[Jalili]

not a fair comparable since bozak was older then players in the draft class of when he was signed.  He went right onto a NHL team because he had finished his NCAA career; whereas most of the players in that draft have to play several seasons in the minors before they can start getting NHL games and points.  Try comparing bozak to those in what would have been his draft class if he played.

I see that as an issue as well... not fair to compare him with players that he has a 5 year head start on.

If we look at how he's fared versus the 04 draft class, then he's definitely in the thick of things and makes the case for himself as a mid 1st round pick in the 15-20 range.

 

[Jalili]

Nashville strikes me as a great place to look for defensemen should they decide they need help at forward which they probably do.

Anyone in particular? Because I don't see really anything there. Weber isn't going anywhere. Josi is being groomed as the new Suter and isn't going anywhere. Blum is looking like he won't be anything special. Ellis doesn't help us at all. Klein was just signed to a 5-year extension. Hannan is a shell of his former self and Gill isn't getting any younger either.

Roman Josi but he's likely a non-starter.