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Oilers vs. Maple Leafs - Jan. 16th, 9:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050

herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

Man I keep thinking "Bertuzzi is going to really pop off any moment now" but then the popping never happens. He hasn't been nearly as bad as some of his harshest critics who seem to think he doesn't understand how to hold a hockey stick say he's been, but being barely on pace for double-digit goals despite spending the entire season in the top-6 is just brutal.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

I know it seems to be the default to say treliving?s hands were tied because of Dubas. Fine, be that as it may, Treliving?s moves, do date have been borderline terrible to some unexpected surprises.

All his free agent signings were awful, the Kampf extension was an unforced error. The Lafferty trade was ill advised.

I guess I?ll give him credit for Benoit and Jones as insurance policies that panned out, but otherwise, he?s been super unimpressive in his short time as GM here.

Sure the Samsonov meltdown was unpredictable. That?s not on him. Anyway that?s enough rambling I suppose.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

Man I keep thinking "Bertuzzi is going to really pop off any moment now" but then the popping never happens. He hasn't been nearly as bad as some of his harshest critics who seem to think he doesn't understand how to hold a hockey stick say he's been, but being barely on pace for double-digit goals despite spending the entire season in the top-6 is just brutal.

He's been terrible at taking passes and can't just pot one. It's shocking when you see Zach Hyman being paid the same. What a mistake it was not just paying him.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

Maybe its just me but that could still look rough even if Bertuzzi did start scoring.

Could be very costly for Bertuzzi. He is unlikely to get $5 mil/yr on a multi year deal this summer.

Treliving's UFA short comings would be a significant factor in Sheldon Keefe's demise as coach if that unfolds. Keefe's future is flimsy if he survives the schedule as they are not likely to do much in the playoffs if they get in. I do think the team made an effort last night but to some extent, they seem to be pushing on a rope.

As there would be some obvious blood on Treliving's hands, I wonder if he'll succumb to the pressure and try to make a deal for a physical PK dman (seems like their biggest need).
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

I actually didn't mind the signings of the first three.  As much as Domi and Bertuzzi are the two players I hate most in the league, I thought not being tied to them on more than a 1-year, "show me" deal was fair value.  I thought they would bring an element that was missing.  They've shown some glimpses, but way too inconsistent.  Even still, I'm not lamenting the loss of Bunting or Kerfoot as a result of it.

Treliving got caught with his pants down on the Reaves signing.  We know why he went after him, the whole toughness factor, especially after the way the team flaked out in the playoffs last spring.  Thing is, with the way the game is these days, guys like Reaves are a waste of space.  Intimidation means nothing, he's not skilled enough, and he doesn't possess the abilities like a Perry or Maroon do that can hybrid a bit of both.  The quicker his contract gets buried, the better.

Beyond that, the holdovers from years past I find are a bigger reason for the team's spotty/poor play.  People thought Samsonov was going to trend to being a top 10 goalie again; while I was skeptical he'd be good enough, no one expected him completely flaming out Jack Campbell style.  Giordano is a fossil (in hockey terms) and is showing his age.  Brodie, like Muzzin before him, is having the mileage catch up.  And we cannot underestimate how our young guys of the future -- Knies and Robertson -- aren't contributing much.  Both were seen as top 6 guys, and while showing glimpses of it here and there (mostly Knies), they aren't reliable enough in their roles.  In hindsight, the team has done a piss poor job at drafting and developing in recent years.  Heck, we don't even have a guy in-house who can play a 4th line role instead of having to find a bunch of retreads year over year on the free agent scrap heap. 
 
Bender said:
It's shocking when you see Zach Hyman being paid the same. What a mistake it was not just paying him.
How soon we forget how bad Hyman was in the playoffs for the Leafs. He's a very hard working player but his numbers are inflated because of who he plays with now.
Hyman's CF% with McD at all strengths the last 3 years is 66.23%. His CF% without McD is 45.42%. At Ev it's under 50% without McD. I like Hyman but it was the right move not giving him an 8 year deal and he left to go play with McD. If that was anyone else offering that deal, he most likely would have stayed in T.O.
 
Joe said:
Peter D. said:
Even still, I'm not lamenting the loss of Bunting or Kerfoot as a result of it.

I would, without hesitation, trade Domi and Bertuzzi for Kerfoot and Bunting.

I'd have some hesitation.
This summer, Domi & Bertuzzi contracts would go away.
But we'd have a year or two more of Bunting & Kerfoot ...
 
Joe said:
Peter D. said:
Even still, I'm not lamenting the loss of Bunting or Kerfoot as a result of it.
 

I would, without hesitation, trade Domi and Bertuzzi for Kerfoot and Bunting.
Kerfoot was under appreciated for what he brought defensively but he def had a down year offensively last season. Bunting's 23 goals haven't been replaced and he's continued drawing penalties. Hindsight is nice but not sure I'd like Bunting or Kerfoot at their current salaries.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

Man I keep thinking "Bertuzzi is going to really pop off any moment now" but then the popping never happens. He hasn't been nearly as bad as some of his harshest critics who seem to think he doesn't understand how to hold a hockey stick say he's been, but being barely on pace for double-digit goals despite spending the entire season in the top-6 is just brutal.

I keep thinking "how did he ever score 30 goals in a season"

He's surprisingly weak on the puck and with his stick for a guy with his size. I thought he'd play with a little more "jam." Guess he's holding it back for the playoffs.

Then every so often he makes a really good pass and I think "maybe he'll come around."
 
Guilt Trip said:
Joe said:
Peter D. said:
Even still, I'm not lamenting the loss of Bunting or Kerfoot as a result of it.
 

I would, without hesitation, trade Domi and Bertuzzi for Kerfoot and Bunting.
Kerfoot was under appreciated for what he brought defensively but he def had a down year offensively last season. Bunting's 23 goals haven't been replaced and he's continued drawing penalties. Hindsight is nice but not sure I'd like Bunting or Kerfoot at their current salaries.

To be honest I?d be happier with none of them and found some way to keep Lafferty, Acciari, Bunting and O?Reilly. And yes I know you can?t force a UFA to sign, I?m just saying that would have been my preference.

Again, this doesn?t account for the samsonov meltdown.
 
Well at least they're getting leads in games right lol. Now if they can figure out to not blow these leads they'd be fine. In the grand scheme of things the Leafs have 5 fewer wins, 5 more reg losses(3 in a row here) then Boston, who has 1 more OT loss then the Leafs. Until the last 3 losses, the Leafs were 16-0-2 with a lead going into the 3rd.
https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1747652574948253927
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1747480162080313477

Man I keep thinking "Bertuzzi is going to really pop off any moment now" but then the popping never happens. He hasn't been nearly as bad as some of his harshest critics who seem to think he doesn't understand how to hold a hockey stick say he's been, but being barely on pace for double-digit goals despite spending the entire season in the top-6 is just brutal.

He obviously knows how to hold a stick but man does he ever lose control of the puck a lot for a guy who 30 seconds earlier can make a great play to steal the puck.  His skating is a big issue though.  It seems like he's always a little bit off where he needs to be and that leads to a lot of the lost puck possession or inability to finish in front of the net.  I'd be interested in seeing Bertuzzi and Tavares swap on PP1 to see if we could get him going as the net front presence where he doesn't need to be striding to get to the net. 
 
Joe said:
Guilt Trip said:
Joe said:
Peter D. said:
Even still, I'm not lamenting the loss of Bunting or Kerfoot as a result of it.
 

I would, without hesitation, trade Domi and Bertuzzi for Kerfoot and Bunting.
Kerfoot was under appreciated for what he brought defensively but he def had a down year offensively last season. Bunting's 23 goals haven't been replaced and he's continued drawing penalties. Hindsight is nice but not sure I'd like Bunting or Kerfoot at their current salaries.

To be honest I?d be happier with none of them and found some way to keep Lafferty, Acciari, Bunting and O?Reilly. And yes I know you can?t force a UFA to sign, I?m just saying that would have been my preference.

Again, this doesn?t account for the samsonov meltdown.

You can't hindsight everything but not having Reaves and keeping Lafferty would have been really useful right now when the 4th line is not good.  I'd rather have Lafferty over Gregor right now...or even having the option to try Lafferty on the 3rd line with Domi. Jarnkrok-Domi-Lafferty might have been an interesting line with some speed but two guys who are good defensive wingers to play with Max.

I think I'm still leaning toward fire Keefe and see if a slightly different voice can get more out of this lineup.  We know it's flawed in its design but we are pretty much stuck with it now.  Finish the road trip and unless the team has three fantastic games the rest of the week Keefe is gone when they get back to Toronto.
 
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1747478090798780743

https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1747476105228173396

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1747652574948253927

Hope they brought extra sticks on this trip.
They'll be squeezing them pretty tight until this subsides
 
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Jones is starting

The Flames are 2 pts out of a wildcard spot
They have a better home record than road.
They won 7 of their last 10

In their last 19 games, they played .623 hockey, 3.47 GFA, 2.68 GAA (11W-6L-1OTL-1SOL)
19 happens to be the number of games they played since they last lost by more than one goal (ignoring 2 empty net goals).
That last stat tells us they can compete with any team in the league.

There is now a fair chance Hanifin & Tanev will not be available at the deadline with this group.

Having said that, Calgary may be the easiest opponent the Leafs will play before the deadline.
Leafs are in the 1st wildcard position with .595 pts win%. They need to win this game.
 
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