Penguins @ Leafs - Mar. 10th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590

[lc9]

Marleau --- oof.  4-2.

He really hasn't done much for me lately.

He has been awful.  A truly worthless hockey player.  He looks lost.

 

[lc9]

And Marleau right back on the ice.  Babcock is so situationally poor. He does not understand the flow of a hockey game after all these years.

 

[cujo4ever]

Looks like he still know how to score (as long as the goalie isn't in the net).

 

[ZBBM]

Marleau --- oof.  4-2.

And makes up for it.

 

[lc9]

Leafs hooked twice.  No call. 

And Marleau scores.  Doesn't make up for his abysmal 2018 thus far. 

 

[Al14]

Marleau finally does something!  Leafs 5 - Pens 2

Go Leafs Go!

 

[herman]

And Marleau right back on the ice.  Babcock is so situationally poor. He does not understand the flow of a hockey game after all these years.

This aged well

 

[BrownRolo]

Looks like he still know how to score (as long as the goalie isn't in the net).

I'm too lazy to.look it up but I feel like a lot of his goals are EN. Guy is overrated.

 

[ZBBM]

There were weird patches in that one but overall a fine defensive effort by a whole lot of players.

 

[lc9]

And Marleau right back on the ice.  Babcock is so situationally poor. He does not understand the flow of a hockey game after all these years.

This aged well

So you think Marleau has played well the last 2 months?  And you base this on an empty net goal?

 

[Kin]

And Marleau right back on the ice.  Babcock is so situationally poor. He does not understand the flow of a hockey game after all these years.

This aged well

So you think Marleau has played well the last 2 months?  And you base this on an empty net goal?

I know my reading skills are declining but your quoted post isn't "Marleau has played bad the last two months".

 

[lc9]

And Marleau right back on the ice.  Babcock is so situationally poor. He does not understand the flow of a hockey game after all these years.

This aged well

So you think Marleau has played well the last 2 months?  And you base this on an empty net goal?

I know my reading skills are declining but your quoted post isn't "Marleau has played bad the last two months".

Agreed the quoted post doesn't say that, but am I to assume the 3 previous posts I made in this thread speaking to Marleaus poor play are to be discounted is regards to adding nuance to the quoted post?

All that aside. I will still contend Marleau is the wrong choice on that situation.  Because it worked out with an empty net goal doesn't excuse his obvious poor play.

 

[Kin]

All that aside. I will still contend Marleau is the wrong choice on that situation.  Because it worked out with an empty net goal doesn't excuse his obvious poor play.

Except "because it worked" is a pretty valid argument against the idea that Babcock doesn't understand the dynamics of the situation. 

 

[herman]

Admittedly, I wasn't even watching the game -- but I was watching the thread.

I was mostly posting because it was funny.

Here's why it's not bad coaching to throw Marleau out there again after making a mistake:

a) It was just a mistake. There's enough of a sample size to Marleau's career that I think we can safely say he isn't deliberately trying to cost us the game. You know who is guaranteed to work the hardest after getting scored on the shift before? The guy who coughed it up. Coaches know that there is no value to being punitive about isolated mistakes.

b) Marleau is a speedy two-way player with good defensive structure, plays on Kadri's line which was going to be used to shutdown the final push anyway. Why throw someone else into a high leverage role with non-regular linemates? He has the offensive instincts to know what the Penguins will try to do; he has the speed and skill to break it up; and as Brown Rolo mentioned, he seems to capitalize on these situations a lot. EN goals aren't cheap; they're paid for with hard defensive work even if the shot is relatively easier.

 

[barney_rebel]

We rule btw


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[Kin]

Admittedly, I wasn't even watching the game -- but I was watching the thread.

I was mostly posting because it was funny.

Here's why it's not bad coaching to throw Marleau out there again after making a mistake:

a) It was just a mistake. There's enough of a sample size to Marleau's career that I think we can safely say he isn't deliberately trying to cost us the game. You know who is guaranteed to work the hardest after getting scored on the shift before? The guy who coughed it up. Coaches know that there is no value to being punitive about isolated mistakes.

b) Marleau is a speedy two-way player with good defensive structure, plays on Kadri's line which was going to be used to shutdown the final push anyway. Why throw someone else into a high leverage role with non-regular linemates? He has the offensive instincts to know what the Penguins will try to do; he has the speed and skill to break it up; and as Brown Rolo mentioned, he seems to capitalize on these situations a lot. EN goals aren't cheap; they're paid for with hard defensive work even if the shot is relatively easier.

Yeah. Babcock is uniquely suited to make a decision both in terms of motivation and in terms of fatigue. In addition to the things you mention about using Kadri's line, I think it's fair to say that no other line is a natural/easy choice there. The fact that it worked seems like a pretty fair case for Babcock, and his unique position to make that judgment, made the right one.

 

[herman]

What I really enjoy the most about the GDTs lately is how much some people post about how stupid Babcock is when we are losing or get scored on, but have nothing to say when we're winning.

 

[herman]

Yeah. Babcock is uniquely suited to make a decision both in terms of motivation and in terms of fatigue. In addition to the things you mention about using Kadri's line, I think it's fair to say that no other line is a natural/easy choice there. The fact that it worked seems like a pretty fair case for Babcock, and his unique position to make that judgment, made the right one.

Yeah, even if Marleau didn't score, it'd still be the obvious right move.

I think when Plekanec gets fully adjusted to our system, he might get a couple of turns at this role, especially after we've clinched.

 

[Bender]

So what are everyone's thoughts on that interference/penalty call?

 

[Kin]

Yeah, even if Marleau didn't score, it'd still be the obvious right move.

Maybe, although I guess my point is that there is no obvious right move where we're concerned. We're not as well positioned to know who might be sucking wind or would be as inclined to react well/or not to a mistake like that(although Marleau's status as a well-regarded veteran is certainly a good sign).

There are too many variables in that situation to know the numbers and, in place of that, sometimes results are the best way to gauge these things.