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Ranking Prospects 2018-19

Frank E said:
herman said:
PPP: 10. Connor Carrick

PPP favours NHL track record, hence Carrick and Borgman being higher.

Also, there is only so much 'market share' on a team for the free-wheelers and risk-takers, so these bottom guys are expected to be boring and safe. I wish it were otherwise.

TLN: 14. Yegor Korshkov
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Not exactly a glowing review, and that's from the geek squad over at PPP.

I think they're going to be in tough there at 3rd pairing RHD unless Liljegren really progresses.
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Um.  I don't think the problem is 3rd pair Right D... the problem is 1st pair Right D. 

(ie, Rielly - ???? , Gardiner - Zaitsev, Dermott - Hainsey would be fine if the ???  was solved)
 
Coco-puffs said:
Frank E said:
herman said:
PPP: 10. Connor Carrick

PPP favours NHL track record, hence Carrick and Borgman being higher.

Also, there is only so much 'market share' on a team for the free-wheelers and risk-takers, so these bottom guys are expected to be boring and safe. I wish it were otherwise.

TLN: 14. Yegor Korshkov
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Not exactly a glowing review, and that's from the geek squad over at PPP.

I think they're going to be in tough there at 3rd pairing RHD unless Liljegren really progresses.
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Um.  I don't think the problem is 3rd pair Right D... the problem is 1st pair Right D. 

(ie, Rielly - ???? , Gardiner - Zaitsev, Dermott - Hainsey would be fine if the ???  was solved)
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Oh I agree, and I think I've posted many times in my support for getting a top pairing RHD...like dozens of times like pretty much everyone here.

I just get the feeling that they aren't going to do anything about that spot, and we'll have Hainsey filling in there again, unfortunately, which means that last RHD spot is probably going to be a rotating cast of borderline NHLers.

Ideally that 3rd pairing is Dermott - Hainsey.
 
Frank E said:
Coco-puffs said:
Frank E said:
herman said:
PPP: 10. Connor Carrick

PPP favours NHL track record, hence Carrick and Borgman being higher.

Also, there is only so much 'market share' on a team for the free-wheelers and risk-takers, so these bottom guys are expected to be boring and safe. I wish it were otherwise.

TLN: 14. Yegor Korshkov
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Not exactly a glowing review, and that's from the geek squad over at PPP.

I think they're going to be in tough there at 3rd pairing RHD unless Liljegren really progresses.
Click to expand...

Um.  I don't think the problem is 3rd pair Right D... the problem is 1st pair Right D. 

(ie, Rielly - ???? , Gardiner - Zaitsev, Dermott - Hainsey would be fine if the ???  was solved)
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Oh I agree, and I think I've posted many times in my support for getting a top pairing RHD...like dozens of times like pretty much everyone here.

I just get the feeling that they aren't going to do anything about that spot, and we'll have Hainsey filling in there again, unfortunately, which means that last RHD spot is probably going to be a rotating cast of borderline NHLers.

Ideally that 3rd pairing is Dermott - Hainsey.
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I think the solution to our top pair woes is to forget about handedness and play the following top 4:

Dermott/Gardiner - Rielly
Dermott/Gardiner - Zaitsev

And then the bottom pair is Hainsey + someone who can move the puck up the ice (again, handedness be damned).  Options are Carrick, Ozhighanov, Borgman, Rosen.  Hainsey can play either side.
 
I?m with Coco here. I also think Zaitsev will be better served with a partner who defers refers to him offensively.
 
https://twitter.com/Pammerhockey/status/1032310849610887170

Not sure there's going to be enough minutes to spare on the Marlies, so sounds like Sandin will be playing overseas next season.
 
herman said:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2018/8/21/17763408/toronto-maple-leafs-draft-prospect-martins-dzierkals-joins-dinamo-riga-in-the-khl

Martins Dzierkals wills bes playings ins thes KHLs nexts seasons.

I was kind of hoping he'd make the jump to the AHL, but it's not like he lit up the opposition with the Solar Bears. Playing in a higher tier pro-league will only benefit him, without plugging up our dev teams.
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/martins-dzierkals-signs-khl-asking-maple-leafs-trade/

According to Dzierkals? post-game interview, he has asked the Leafs for a trade due to dissatisfaction with his role in the organization (being slow rolled).
 
herman said:
PPP: 8. Andreas Johnsson

Kapanen over Johnsson largely due to age and pedigree.
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Kapanen is ranked higher than Johnsson?  Surprised given Johnsson's breakthrough last season complete with the AHL MVP award in the playoffs.  Granted Kapanen didn't play for the Marlies in the playoffs so who knows if he could have been just as good.
 
Zee said:
herman said:
PPP: 8. Andreas Johnsson

Kapanen over Johnsson largely due to age and pedigree.
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Kapanen is ranked higher than Johnsson?  Surprised given Johnsson's breakthrough last season complete with the AHL MVP award in the playoffs.  Granted Kapanen didn't play for the Marlies in the playoffs so who knows if he could have been just as good.
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Kapanen is 2 years younger so the prevailing thought would be Kapanen still has more time to grow his game.  Most would consider them in the same tier and I bet the difference in ranking between these two is pretty tight
 
PPP: 6. Kasperi Kapanen

#NeverForget

As Kapanen has grown more accustomed to the NHL speed and skill and strength, he has realized that he can pull off more than he expected at first. Until the AHL, he has always played up and above his level, so there's that calibration period in his production stats. In the video linked above, you can see how he has gotten really good at using his speed to park his ass on defenders' hands to prevent them from actually defending against him (this goal too vs the Preds). He's less likely to go completely around players now, and would rather take a more direct route. He has learned to use his raw speed for speed change separation now, rather than just outright blowing by literally everyone (and thus having no support).

TLN: 10. Trevor Moore
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Kapanen is going to be a star on the NHL. He's got the 'it' factor, in spades.
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I hope you're right, his speed is unbelievable.  If he can make plays at a high speed he'll be hard to stop.  I still remember that shorthanded goal against the Bruins in game 7 and thinking "that's it, that's the game winner!"  Sigh.
 
PPP: 5. Travis Dermott

When he was first drafted, I was just excited that our tradedowns netted multiple prospects with projectable skills; of the 3 (Dermott, Bracco, Dzierkals), Dermott was maybe the least exciting to me because it looked like he played a safe game shepherding a stacked forward corps (McDavid, Strome). His speed was middling but his vision looked capable; smooth without panic.

After a couple of years with Barb Underhill and getting targeted assignments on the Marlies, he has surpassed my middling expectations. He is very smart and aggressive without the puck, with the skills to pull off a lot of his riskier maneuvers (open-ice gap up pinches as the last man back!), and he can really carry it almost to Gardiner/Rielly levels. While the raw speed is not quite Rielly-level, his edgework and elusiveness is probably tops on the backend.

TLN: 9. Pierre Engvall
 
herman said:
PPP: 5. Travis Dermott

When he was first drafted, I was just excited that our tradedowns netted multiple prospects with projectable skills; of the 3 (Dermott, Bracco, Dzierkals), Dermott was maybe the least exciting to me because it looked like he played a safe game shepherding a stacked forward corps (McDavid, Strome). His speed was middling but his vision looked capable; smooth without panic.

After a couple of years with Barb Underhill and getting targeted assignments on the Marlies, he has surpassed my middling expectations. He is very smart and aggressive without the puck, with the skills to pull off a lot of his riskier maneuvers (open-ice gap up pinches as the last man back!), and he can really carry it almost to Gardiner/Rielly levels. While the raw speed is not quite Rielly-level, his edgework and elusiveness is probably tops on the backend.
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I have to agree here. Dermott caught me by complete surprise. The Leafs didn't get into a real groove until Marner got going and Dermott drew into the lineup. I was kind of against the pick at the time thinking he wasn't going to amount to much but I'm pretty glad we have him.
 
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