Ranking Prospects

[Frank E]

I want both the picks and the bottoming out.

They're not mutually exclusive but I think that if the Leafs tried to trade Kadri now there'd be some pretty disappointing offers on the table.

It's why keeping Kadri(and to a lesser extent Gardiner) makes sense for this season. With an increase in ice time, #1 PP duties and better linemates, Kadri could very well play himself into a position where he could be pretty valuable next summer.

I agree, and as usual, I've probably done a poor job of explaining myself.

I think Kadri and Gardiner are trading chips that I would wait until February to move (or summer) for the reasons you described above.

It's JVR and Bozak, and the tougher ones, Lupul and Phaneuf, that I wanted moved out this summer. 

 

[herman]

Here comes #2: William Nylander

 

[Kin]

It's JVR and Bozak, and the tougher ones, Lupul and Phaneuf, that I wanted moved out this summer.

I'm guessing that the people running the team wanted Bozak, Lupul and Phaneuf moved this summer also.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is there a reason I'm missing for wanting to move JVR?

 

[Kin]

Is there a reason I'm missing for wanting to move JVR?

I think it's more of the same rationale of trading pieces with value to get value back for the rebuild.

 

[herman]

Is there a reason I'm missing for wanting to move JVR?

I think it's more of the same rationale of trading pieces with value to get value back for the rebuild.

Value that is timed to peak when the team is slated to peak, i.e. high draft picks.

 

[bustaheims]

Is there a reason I'm missing for wanting to move JVR?

He's probably the team's most valuable asset over the age of 25, which means he'd come with the best return, and will probably be on the downside of his career when the rebuild is coming to an end.

 

[herman]

#1: Morgan Rielly

 

[Kin]

I think this will be a very interesting year for Rielly. I think that most defensemen who eventually make it into the Norris conversation tend to show real signs of it within their first few years in the league. Not doing so wouldn't rule it out for Rielly but I think it would be a strong sign that he'd probably slot in that group just below that.

 

[herman]

I can see Rielly growing into a Drew Doughty-esque player.

 

[Kin]

I can see Rielly growing into a Drew Doughty-esque player.

Right now that strikes me as a bit of stretch. Unless you just mean stylistically.

 

[herman]

I can see Rielly growing into a Drew Doughty-esque player.

Right now that strikes me as a bit of stretch. Unless you just mean stylistically.

I do mean stylistically, and not quite the raw numbers. Peaking at 80% Doughty would still be plenty elite.

 

[Highlander]

Don't forget when he was drafted, a few top scouts mentioned him in the same sentence with someone named Bob Orr. 

 

[herman]

 

[Kin]

Don't forget when he was drafted, a few top scouts mentioned him in the same sentence with someone named Bob Orr.

Were they saying "There's no way that Rielly will be as good as Bobby Orr"?

 

[bustaheims]

Don't forget when he was drafted, a few top scouts mentioned him in the same sentence with someone named Bob Orr.

No, they weren't. Not with any degree of seriousness. He was legitimately being compared to guys like Leetch. Any comparisons to Orr were either tongue-in-cheek or from people who were kissing Burke's behind.

 

[Highlander]

only repeating that a few scouts were comparing in a favorable way, not creating any hyperbole

 

[Kin]

I mean, who cares regardless? Schenn's defensive game was compared to Chris Pronger's.

Draft Day is a time for hype.

 

[L K]

Don't forget when he was drafted, a few top scouts mentioned him in the same sentence with someone named Bob Orr.

They also called Schenn the next Scott Stevens.  Hyperbole flows rampant around the draft.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is there a reason I'm missing for wanting to move JVR?

He's probably the team's most valuable asset over the age of 25, which means he'd come with the best return, and will probably be on the downside of his career when the rebuild is coming to an end.

Do we not need to hold onto some player over the age of 25 that resembles a hockey player? The good ones don't seem to make it to UFA anymore so holding onto a 30 goal scorer doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. especially a 26 year old one.

But considering how low Lupul's value is and how hard Phaneuf's contract is for a team to take on, I guess I can see why he'd be moved

I love having these conversations with myself.