Raptors Off-Season Thread
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Coco-puffs
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Nik the Trik said:
Agreed. That was steep. Overall, not going to complain about Poetl... But Labissiere at 27 sounded improbable a few hours ago.
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Jakob Poeltl, first player from Austria to be drafted, and Pascal Siakam, a Cameroonian, were the Raptors' choices at the 2016 NBA Draft.
Poeltl, a centre, has the agility & speed up front for a player of his size, as well as an "NBA-ready body". He was the NCAA's top certre at his position. Poeltl was the #9 pick.
As for Siakam, he was the top rebounder in the NCAA, and also led the league in double-doubles. Siakam was chosen at #27.
Raptors coach Dwayne Casey gushed on Poeltl:
"Fundamentally sound, physically ready, NBA-ready body," Casey said. His speed and agility around the cones were really impressive. An excellent insurance policy for as us far as the centre position, the power forward position is concerned."
The Raptors had talked about trading away the pick, but in the end, Poeltl, who Casey said has a strong work ethic and plays "extremely hard" became was the consensus choice,
"He?s a gym rat, so that?s what?s exciting about him, is the fact that you know the young man is going to work, come put his body on people," Casey said. "Excellent screener, been well-coached at Utah, runs an NBA style of offence at Utah which is very impressive."
Story:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/raptors-take-jakob-poeltl-ninth-overall-pick-2016-nba-draft/
Poeltl, a centre, has the agility & speed up front for a player of his size, as well as an "NBA-ready body". He was the NCAA's top certre at his position. Poeltl was the #9 pick.
As for Siakam, he was the top rebounder in the NCAA, and also led the league in double-doubles. Siakam was chosen at #27.
Raptors coach Dwayne Casey gushed on Poeltl:
"Fundamentally sound, physically ready, NBA-ready body," Casey said. His speed and agility around the cones were really impressive. An excellent insurance policy for as us far as the centre position, the power forward position is concerned."
The Raptors had talked about trading away the pick, but in the end, Poeltl, who Casey said has a strong work ethic and plays "extremely hard" became was the consensus choice,
"He?s a gym rat, so that?s what?s exciting about him, is the fact that you know the young man is going to work, come put his body on people," Casey said. "Excellent screener, been well-coached at Utah, runs an NBA style of offence at Utah which is very impressive."
Story:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/raptors-take-jakob-poeltl-ninth-overall-pick-2016-nba-draft/
Kin
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The Ringer has us as one of the Draft's Losers which is pretty hard to argue with. Their reasoning is pretty solid:
https://theringer.com/nba-draft-winners-and-losers-24249a04abb7#.5skhzi7ad
https://theringer.com/nba-draft-winners-and-losers-24249a04abb7#.5skhzi7ad
L K
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I think for me this is three drafts in a row that have been underwhelming from Masai. Caboclo is still just 20 and made a lot of strides last year but he's likely at least another year from being able to be a role player for the team. Last year he drafted a 4-year PG and then acquired a PG and didn't play him all year. This year he drafted a big backup center and a defense only PF.
The Raptors can't shoot well enough to win. I'm not sure that replacing Biyombo and Scola in the rotation was the right approach.
Derozan - 15.1M (Cap Hold)
Valanciunas - 14.4M
Carroll - 14.2M
Lowry - 12.0M
Ross - 10.0M
Joseph - 7.3M
Patterson - 6.0M *Last year
Poetl - 2.2M
Noguiera - 1.9M
Caboclo - 1.6M
Wright - 1.6M
Siakam - 1.0M
Powell - 0.9M
The Raptors don't have the cap space to sign anyone good in free agency. They don't have the cap space to resign Biyombo (hence drafting a backup C and PF defensive combo). If they renounce Derozan they could sign one max player but that is going to be rotating deck chairs.
Pretty sad state of affairs when the cap goes up by a projected 20+M dollars and you can't do anything.
The Raptors can't shoot well enough to win. I'm not sure that replacing Biyombo and Scola in the rotation was the right approach.
Derozan - 15.1M (Cap Hold)
Valanciunas - 14.4M
Carroll - 14.2M
Lowry - 12.0M
Ross - 10.0M
Joseph - 7.3M
Patterson - 6.0M *Last year
Poetl - 2.2M
Noguiera - 1.9M
Caboclo - 1.6M
Wright - 1.6M
Siakam - 1.0M
Powell - 0.9M
The Raptors don't have the cap space to sign anyone good in free agency. They don't have the cap space to resign Biyombo (hence drafting a backup C and PF defensive combo). If they renounce Derozan they could sign one max player but that is going to be rotating deck chairs.
Pretty sad state of affairs when the cap goes up by a projected 20+M dollars and you can't do anything.
Coco-puffs
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Nik the Trik said:
Nowhere else have I heard that Poeltl has athleticism issues. Everyone says he has good foot speed and mobility, but lacks a bit of leaping ability. When you're 7 ft tall with a huge wingspan, leaping ability is the least of concerns.
Counterpoint:
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2016-nba-draft-grades-winners-and-losers-062416
Kin
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Coco-puffs said:
I think the thing is with regards to athleticism is that it's relative. Having good footspeed/mobility within the context of being a back to the basket center is not quite the same as being a terrific athlete. I mean, to be real a second, if he had any sort of explosive athleticism there's almost no way a guy of his size would last until #9.
And while I think there's probably some truth to the idea that the team needed front court depth, you really have to ask yourself if that's what you want to use a top 10 pick on vs. swinging for the fences and landing someone with a better chance of being an all-star type.
Nik the Trik said:
So this is basically selecting Frederik Gauthier but 10+ picks earlier?
Kin
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CarltonTheBear said:
Kind of. It's a little weirder than that as at least with Gauthier you could legitimately say the Leafs really had a need up the middle whereas here the Raps are pretty set for starting C. It's probably a little less like that in the sense that a pretty compelling case could at least be made that there wasn't an obvious better pick. The Raps were just unlucky to fall outside of the top 8.
Coco-puffs
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CarltonTheBear said:
Nope. That's the 27th pick Siakam who's pretty raw offensively and good defensively. I'd say thats a more apt comparison to Gauthier.
Poeltl has a great offensive game, similar to JV's back to the basket game. And Poeltl looks fantastic in Pick-and-Roll offenses... he cuts hard to the basket, something everyone wishes JV did a little more.
Heroic Shrimp
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So, is Jared Sullinger any good...?
Kin
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Heroic Shrimp said:
Going into the 2011-2012 season there was some real thought that he might be a top 3 pick in the NBA draft. That didn't happen, as his last year in college was largely seen as a disappointment and when they started the whole measuring process for the draft Sullinger didn't really do well on any of the physical/athletic tests. He's not particularly tall for the position, doesn't have great athleticism and as a result is kind of a limited player.
But he seems to be a pretty good basketball player. He's got pretty solid rebounding numbers, positions well defensively and doesn't need touches to be effective.
He's another in the Tyler Hansborough/Luis Scola/Amir Johnson mold of not realistically being an "answer" at the 4 but he's probably a decent option in terms of fitting in and contributing.