Robertson finally re-signs [1year, $875k AAV]

[herman]

I am not convinced Jankrok has to play the top 9 because he forechecks exponentially better than anyone else. It's not like wingers jump sides to forecheck because their W partner doesn't. Bert is a loss for sure in this capacity but we have to give the noncore 4 more of a shot and not play so top-heavy.

In my ideal world where we still have Jarnkrok, he would absolutely be the 4RW (this involves moving the Reaves and maybe Kampf money for better top-9 forwards).

Agreed that someone will be forechecking regardless, but when you have a line that has one person who actually succeeds at it with a reasonable clip, the line will tend to dump the puck on that side. Robertson-Kampf-Marner is dead in the water on most shifts.

 

[Bullfrog]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

 

[cw]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

They can waive him. If he clears, $200k remains on their cap.

 

[Highlander]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

They can waive him. If he clears, $200k remains on their cap.

That would be the best thing as now it seems the Leafs want to sign Pacioretty (which to me is insane) as the claim is Robertson will be moved before the season starts. Why, more Loaf insanity!

 

[L K]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

They can waive him. If he clears, $200k remains on their cap.

It's still baffling to me that Reaves had a cap hit that wasn't fully able to be buried

 

[cw]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

They can waive him. If he clears, $200k remains on their cap.

It's still baffling to me that Reaves had a cap hit that wasn't fully able to be buried

It was limited protection on a team tight to the cap.
Never cared for the deal.
He could easily hit a wall this season.

 

[bustaheims]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

They can waive him. If he clears, $200k remains on their cap.

That would be the best thing as now it seems the Leafs want to sign Pacioretty (which to me is insane) as the claim is Robertson will be moved before the season starts. Why, more Loaf insanity!

If Robertson legitimately does not want to be here, it would be insanity to not move him. The risk that his desire to play elsewhere will have a negative impact on his effort and in the dressing room outweigh the potential benefits of him being in the lineup.

If he's really over the trade request, hold on to him, sure. But, if he signed as a way to help grease the wheels on a trade, you have to move on for the sake of the team.

 

[Frank E]

He's not getting waived, so it's either he's on the Leafs or he's traded for something...right?

 

[cabber24]

If you had to choose between Pacioretty and Robertson who do you pick?

I pick Robertson with the hope he can evolve into something and I also think he's a better trade chip than Pacioretty.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If you had to choose between Pacioretty and Robertson who do you pick?

I pick Robertson with the hope he can evolve into something and I also think he's a better trade chip than Pacioretty.

Yeah a lot of it would come down to what exactly we could get for Robertson. If there's a trade for a 2nd rounder available or in some way we end up getting a centre out of him I'd be interested. If we're just waiving or dumping Robertson for Pacioretty then I dunno about that.

 

[Bullfrog]

If in "win now" mode (which they are), I go for Pacioretty. I don't think Robertson will ever be more than a streaky goal-scorer. That's valuable, but I think a defensibly responsible veteran who can play on the bottom two lines is more valuable this season.

 

[cw]

REaves would be my #1 target for moving if possible.

They can waive him. If he clears, $200k remains on their cap.

That would be the best thing as now it seems the Leafs want to sign Pacioretty (which to me is insane) as the claim is Robertson will be moved before the season starts. Why, more Loaf insanity!

If Robertson legitimately does not want to be here, it would be insanity to not move him. The risk that his desire to play elsewhere will have a negative impact on his effort and in the dressing room outweigh the potential benefits of him being in the lineup.

If he's really over the trade request, hold on to him, sure. But, if he signed as a way to help grease the wheels on a trade, you have to move on for the sake of the team.

They've naturally reviewed his trade request. They probably found out he isn't worth the 2nd round pick they drafted him with (which they would have snatched in a heartbeat). He's more tradeable with a contract.

They have Marner, Nylander & Jarnkrok on right wing
They have Knies, McMann and probably Pacioretty on left wing
that ignores what Cowan or Minten might do if they crack the lineup or the other candidates for forward - particularly if they add a 3rd line center and move Domi to left wing.

Robertson is not a 4th liner. He's kind of one dimensional.

So probably get what they can (probably a low pick) and move on.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Leafs need scoring. Patches and Robertson bring that. I can see the Leafs dealing Jarnkrok who doesn't score especially in the playoffs.

 

[Joe S.]

They've naturally reviewed his trade request. They probably found out he isn't worth the 2nd round pick they drafted him with (which they would have snatched in a heartbeat). He's more tradeable with a contract.

On that note, and if I?m reading the offer sheet compensation chart correctly, if he signed an offer sheet comparable to the contract he ended up signing the leafs would not have been given any compensation. So, I can take this to mean that he has no trade value as no team was willing to basically get him for ?free?.

 

[bustaheims]

On that note, and if I?m reading the offer sheet compensation chart correctly, if he signed an offer sheet comparable to the contract he ended up signing the leafs would not have been given any compensation. So, I can take this to mean that he has no trade value as no team was willing to basically get him for ?free?.

I think teams knew that, if they signed him to a deal that small, there was no chance the Leafs wouldn't match.

 

[cabber24]

They've naturally reviewed his trade request. They probably found out he isn't worth the 2nd round pick they drafted him with (which they would have snatched in a heartbeat). He's more tradeable with a contract.

On that note, and if I?m reading the offer sheet compensation chart correctly, if he signed an offer sheet comparable to the contract he ended up signing the leafs would not have been given any compensation. So, I can take this to mean that he has no trade value as no team was willing to basically get him for ?free?.

Interesting take, however, trading for him guarantees you get him.

I have no idea how this plays out with Lorentz/Pac/Robertson/Jankrok/Holmberg. I would take any TWO on this list instead of ONE Jankrok.

 

[Joe S.]

On that note, and if I?m reading the offer sheet compensation chart correctly, if he signed an offer sheet comparable to the contract he ended up signing the leafs would not have been given any compensation. So, I can take this to mean that he has no trade value as no team was willing to basically get him for ?free?.

I think teams knew that, if they signed him to a deal that small, there was no chance the Leafs wouldn't match.

I think the limit is 1.5 mil for no compensation. I?m not sure the leafs would have matched 1.5.

 

[bustaheims]

I think the limit is 1.5 mil for no compensation. I?m not sure the leafs would have matched 1.5.

I'm confident they would have. They weren't going to give him up for nothing.

 

[cw]

On that note, and if I?m reading the offer sheet compensation chart correctly, if he signed an offer sheet comparable to the contract he ended up signing the leafs would not have been given any compensation. So, I can take this to mean that he has no trade value as no team was willing to basically get him for ?free?.

I think teams knew that, if they signed him to a deal that small, there was no chance the Leafs wouldn't match.

There is also the precedent concern. When a player asks for a trade, how rosy it is for him? If it isn't that rosy, it discourages others from doing so down the line.

To me, kicking tires with Pacioretty doesn't look good for Robertson - they're obviously not set on Robertson. If Pacioretty, Cowan or Minten sticks or they land a 3rd line center moving Domi to a wing, Robertson probably has to hope someone gets hurt to stay on the NHL roster.

I'm sure he's going to get a look but I'd rate him a longish shot to stick.

 

[bustaheims]

There is also the precedent concern. When a player asks for a trade, how rosy it is for him? If it isn't that rosy, it discourages others from doing so down the line.

To me, kicking tires with Pacioretty doesn't look good for Robertson - they're obviously not set on Robertson. If Pacioretty, Cowan or Minten sticks or they land a 3rd line center moving Domi to a wing, Robertson probably has to hope someone gets hurt to stay on the NHL roster.

I'm sure he's going to get a look but I'd rate him a longish shot to stick.

Maybe, but with the reporting about how they spent a good chunk of the summer trying to convince him to rescind his trade request, I get the impression that they have (had?) a plan in mind for him on the roster and he's going to be given every opportunity to stick. Minten is almost certainly not going to grab a roster spot - he'll be given a chance, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't start the year with the Marlies. Cowan is a wild card. He's likely to earn at least a 9 game or less try out, but, who knows beyond that. Could very be that Patches needs to wait until that's sorted before he gets a contract, too - barring other potential moves, of course.

I don't necessarily think Robertson has the inside track to a roster spot, but, if he's not moved, I'm not convinced he's a longshot, either.