Samsonov's arbitration case - 1-yr 3.55M

[herman]

Those July 1st signings are looking a little extra bad right now

 

[Guilt Trip]

Those July 1st signings are looking a little extra bad right now

Yup. Too much for Klingberg and Reaves will end up costing the Leafs.

 

[Joe S.]

Maybe I?m dense because I never seem to quite understand how LTIR works, but isn?t that the best option for the leafs? That way they don?t have to worry about sweeteners and so on in a trade? And don?t have to worry about the cap implications of a buy out?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Maybe I?m dense because I never seem to quite understand how LTIR works, but isn?t that the best option for the leafs? That way they don?t have to worry about sweeteners and so on in a trade? And in a don?t have to worry about the cap implications of a buy out?

Sure, but there's not really much to suggest they can definitely LTIR him though. There were some grumblings from Friedman about him potentially not being healthy right now which could prevent a buyout but that doesn't mean it's a career ending, or at least season ending, injury that he's potentially dealing with.

 

[Joe S.]

Right. That?s makes sense thx.

 

[rdowdall]

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a high cap hit
That started from this tragic trade
Of which the Leafs got bit.

The trade was for an upgrade,
A goalie who was not worse.
Than what the Leafs already had
To end a fifty year curse, end a fifty year curse.

The goalie started getting hurt,
His equipment was all tossed,
If not for the depth of the Leafs goalie crew
The season would be lost, the season would be lost.

The team explored a bunch of ways, the contract had to go
To the AHL,
A trade or two,
The buyout might be nice,
A bridge too far,
So that leaves one option,
Here on Robidas's Island.

(Sing to the tune of the theme to Gilligan's Island)

 

[Zee]

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a high cap hit
That started from this tragic trade
Of which the Leafs got bit.

The trade was for an upgrade,
A goalie who was not worse.
Than what the Leafs already had
To end a fifty year curse, end a fifty year curse.

The goalie started getting hurt,
His equipment was all tossed,
If not for the depth of the Leafs goalie crew
The season would be lost, the season would be lost.

The team explored a bunch of ways, the contract had to go
To the AHL,
A trade or two,
The buyout might be nice,
A bridge too far,
So that leaves one option,
Here on Robidas's Island.

(Sing to the tune of the theme to Gilligan's Island)

Not bad

 

[Guilt Trip]

With Murray bought out, a 12F/6D roster, Timmins waived and McMann (the cheapest 12th forward option) on the roster the Leafs are still $48k over the cap.

Samsonov getting $3.55mil instead of just $3.5mil will mean we can't keep Lafferty, as things currently stand. That's unforunate.

Leafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with  13F 7D...43K cap space.

Bert Matt Nyl
Knies JT Marn
Robo Domi Laff
Mc Kamp Reaves
Holmberg

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Leafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with  13F 7D...43K cap space.

It's an option, sure. And if cap/roster flexibility is the main priority it's probably the one that makes the most sense. But losing Kerfoot, Engvall/Acciari, ZAR, AND Jarnkrok from last season might be a little bit too much of a blow to the teams overall defensive game. They'll have to balance how much that's worth the extra 1 or 2 roster spots.

 

[Frank E]

Leafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with  13F 7D...43K cap space.

It's an option, sure. And if cap/roster flexibility is the main priority it's probably the one that makes the most sense. But losing Kerfoot, Engvall/Acciari, ZAR, AND Jarnkrok from last season might be a little bit too much of a blow to the teams overall defensive game. They'll have to balance how much that's worth the extra 1 or 2 roster spots.

Plus Jarnkrok quietly scored 20 goals for his $2.1m cap hit...that's pretty handy. 

He wouldn't be the one I move out.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Plus Jarnkrok quietly scored 20 goals for his $2.1m cap hit...that's pretty handy. 

He wouldn't be the one I move out.

Yeah although the flip side to that he got a scoring boost by playing in the top-6 for chunks of the season. And he filled in well there but with Bertuzzi, Domi, and Knies on the roster now it's pretty unlikely he sees much time there again. That means it's probably not a great idea to bet on 20 goals again.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Leafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with  13F 7D...43K cap space.

It's an option, sure. And if cap/roster flexibility is the main priority it's probably the one that makes the most sense. But losing Kerfoot, Engvall/Acciari, ZAR, AND Jarnkrok from last season might be a little bit too much of a blow to the teams overall defensive game. They'll have to balance how much that's worth the extra 1 or 2 roster spots.

Well it's 2 roster spots(if losing all of Murray) if we're talking guys like Rob, McM, Steeves. We also get to keep Timmins/Gio because Laff by himself is not enough so a D man has to go. Lafferty is a PK guy too so if he goes, it's kind of the same deal on the D side. They could maybe grab a UFA min guy who's good defensively? Having a 22 man roster and not losing Lafferty and Timmins/Gio would be better but I'm not the boss. I also look at Jarnkrok's preformance and contract. He'll be 32 starting next season and hasn't done well in the playoffs. 5 goals and 22 pts in 86 games doesn't scream keep me.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Leafs could trade Jarnkrok. Buyout Murray, keep Timmins, Lafferty and promote Robertson or McMann as 3LW(118K in space). If they lose all of Murray's salary and trade Jarnkrok, they could carry both Robertson and McMann with  13F 7D...43K cap space.

It's an option, sure. And if cap/roster flexibility is the main priority it's probably the one that makes the most sense. But losing Kerfoot, Engvall/Acciari, ZAR, AND Jarnkrok from last season might be a little bit too much of a blow to the teams overall defensive game. They'll have to balance how much that's worth the extra 1 or 2 roster spots.

Plus Jarnkrok quietly scored 20 goals for his $2.1m cap hit...that's pretty handy. 

He wouldn't be the one I move out.

He did literally nothing in the playoffs which is the norm for his career. 5 goals in 86 playoff games and like CTB said, his numbers were def boosted playing up with the stars. Perhaps it can be a sell high moment. Listen I like Jarnkrok, but losing Laff and Timmins/Gio and weakening the team overall isn't ideal. We have to strengthen the team and have more flexibility.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Well it's 2 roster spots(if losing all of Murray) if we're talking guys like Rob, McM, Steeves. We also get to keep Timmins/Gio because Laff by himself is not enough so a D man has to go. Lafferty is a PK guy too so if he goes, it's kind of the same deal on the D side. They could maybe grab a UFA min guy who's good defensively? Having a 22 man roster and not losing Lafferty and Timmins/Gio would be better but I'm not the boss. I also look at Jarnkrok's preformance and contract. He'll be 32 starting next season and hasn't done well in the playoffs. 5 goals and 22 pts in 86 games doesn't scream keep me.

I'll admit if it's 2 extra roster spots I'd be more tempted. But that only happens if Murray gets LTIR'd for the whole season or traded with no retention or no contracts coming back. I still think that's a little unlikely at this point but we'll see.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Well it's 2 roster spots(if losing all of Murray) if we're talking guys like Rob, McM, Steeves. We also get to keep Timmins/Gio because Laff by himself is not enough so a D man has to go. Lafferty is a PK guy too so if he goes, it's kind of the same deal on the D side. They could maybe grab a UFA min guy who's good defensively? Having a 22 man roster and not losing Lafferty and Timmins/Gio would be better but I'm not the boss. I also look at Jarnkrok's preformance and contract. He'll be 32 starting next season and hasn't done well in the playoffs. 5 goals and 22 pts in 86 games doesn't scream keep me.

I'll admit if it's 2 extra roster spots I'd be more tempted. But that only happens if Murray gets LTIR'd for the whole season or traded with no retention or no contracts coming back. I still think that's a little unlikely at this point but we'll see.

Yup I agree it'll be unlikely that all of his money is gone. They do however get to keep Laff, Timmins/7th D in a buyout situation with a Jarnkrok trade.

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

Given every other team knows that the Leafs need to clear cap space what's the likely return on Jarnkrok? 4th round pick or equivalent prospect?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Given every other team knows that the Leafs need to clear cap space what's the likely return on Jarnkrok? 4th round pick or equivalent prospect?

You're probably losing Lafferty/Timmins for the same or less.

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

Given every other team knows that the Leafs need to clear cap space what's the likely return on Jarnkrok? 4th round pick or equivalent prospect?

You're probably losing Lafferty/Timmins for the same or less.

For sure, I was just interested in the likely (lack of) return.

 

[Frank E]

Anyone heard of any further whispers of Murray buyout?

 

[cw]

Anyone heard of any further whispers of Murray buyout?

The first sign would be putting him on waivers.
For the buyout window, I think they have to put him on waivers by noon today.
I haven't seen any report of that happening.
If he's hurt, they may not be able to.