Shot Fired on Parliament Hill

[bustaheims]

Actually, reports are coming out about him say that he was mentally unstable and felt that the Devil was chasing him. So, while he may have been inspired by extremism, it's looking more like he was just good, old-fashioned crazy.

 

[ZBBM]

I'll say it again: you guys should be proud of the CBC.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/canadas-cbc-news-shows-what-thoughtful-breaking-news-coverage-really-looks-like_b243081

For hours this afternoon, Canada?s CBC News covered the breaking news of at least three shooting incidents in Ottawa. Led by veteran anchor Peter Mansbridge, the rolling coverage was smart, careful, and absolutely un-American.

 

[Stickytape]

As I watched via the network?s live stream in New York, I never heard a second of dramatic music, never saw a full-screen wipe with a catchy graphic like TERROR ON PARLIAMENT HILL, and never, ever heard Mansbridge or any of the CBC?s reporters dip even a toe into the waters of self-promotion.

I saw this "Attack in Ottawa" graphic several times, which the CBC used to brand the event:

I found that pretty disappointing and fearmongering.

It's true that the coverage was much more sane, and I'm very grateful for that; there was a lot less speculation than I'm accustomed to on other networks, and people remained calm and respectful. But I still cringed at some aspects that I felt were deliberately sensational, and there was still a lot of misinformation.

 

[ZBBM]

As I watched via the network?s live stream in New York, I never heard a second of dramatic music, never saw a full-screen wipe with a catchy graphic like TERROR ON PARLIAMENT HILL, and never, ever heard Mansbridge or any of the CBC?s reporters dip even a toe into the waters of self-promotion.

I saw this "Attack in Ottawa" graphic several times, which the CBC used to brand the event:

I found that pretty disappointing and fearmongering.

It's true that the coverage was much more sane, and I'm very grateful for that; there was a lot less speculation than I'm accustomed to on other networks, and people remained calm and respectful. But I still cringed at some aspects that I felt were deliberately sensational, and there was still a lot of misinformation.

You should email that screengrab to the blogger.

 

[Highlander]

I guess its to a point of wait and see if these attacks keep happening..hopefully they won't?I did watch Harper this AM saying that they would be expanding the powers of he police and intelligence agencies.  Hopefully they can diffuse things before they happen.

 

[losveratos]

I guess its to a point of wait and see if these attacks keep happening..hopefully they won't?I did watch Harper this AM saying that they would be expanding the powers of he police and intelligence agencies.  Hopefully they can diffuse things before they happen.

Because that worked so well in America.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

As I watched via the network?s live stream in New York, I never heard a second of dramatic music, never saw a full-screen wipe with a catchy graphic like TERROR ON PARLIAMENT HILL, and never, ever heard Mansbridge or any of the CBC?s reporters dip even a toe into the waters of self-promotion.

I saw this "Attack in Ottawa" graphic several times, which the CBC used to brand the event:

I found that pretty disappointing and fearmongering.

It's true that the coverage was much more sane, and I'm very grateful for that; there was a lot less speculation than I'm accustomed to on other networks, and people remained calm and respectful. But I still cringed at some aspects that I felt were deliberately sensational, and there was still a lot of misinformation.

You should email that screengrab to the blogger.

Well I mean it was literally an attack...in Ottawa.

 

[Highlander]

I am advocating a far more aggressive approach, but have been near labeled a Fascist because of it.  I actually just like to put 2 and 2 together and come up with the right number.
Turns out Bibeau was one of the 90 with a revoked passport. Wow what a coinkidinky!!!
Now in three days we lost two soldiers to guys with no passports, their papers were taken away because these clowns wanted to run away and join the circus.
What we should do is transport these wannabes and drop them over ISIS territory with or without parachutes, (no difference to me) and if they happened to get killed in their jihad well then god or allah or some other diety can bless em, but if they happen to survive we don't let em back home?.ever
The alternative is to find the 90 and build a camp in the North and feed these guys until ISIS is roasted (which is the proper non-fascist thing to do)
We have to be proactive, not wait for the next frustrated kid with a gun and an ideology to use it, come out and kill more of us.

 

[TML fan]

I am advocating a far more aggressive approach, but have been near labeled a Fascist because of it.  I actually just like to put 2 and 2 together and come up with the right number.
Turns out Bibeau was one of the 90 with a revoked passport. Wow what a coinkidinky!!!
Now in three days we lost two soldiers to guys with no passports, their papers were taken away because these clowns wanted to run away and join the circus.
What we should do is transport these wannabes and drop them over ISIS territory with or without parachutes, (no difference to me) and if they happened to get killed in their jihad well then god or allah or some other diety can bless em, but if they happen to survive we don't let em back home?.ever
The alternative is to find the 90 and build a camp in the North and feed these guys until ISIS is roasted (which is the proper non-fascist thing to do)
We have to be proactive, not wait for the next frustrated kid with a gun and an ideology to use it, come out and kill more of us.

yeah, no.

 

[Andy007]

I am advocating a far more aggressive approach, but have been near labeled a Fascist because of it.  I actually just like to put 2 and 2 together and come up with the right number.
Turns out Bibeau was one of the 90 with a revoked passport. Wow what a coinkidinky!!!
Now in three days we lost two soldiers to guys with no passports, their papers were taken away because these clowns wanted to run away and join the circus.
What we should do is transport these wannabes and drop them over ISIS territory with or without parachutes, (no difference to me) and if they happened to get killed in their jihad well then god or allah or some other diety can bless em, but if they happen to survive we don't let em back home?.ever
The alternative is to find the 90 and build a camp in the North and feed these guys until ISIS is roasted (which is the proper non-fascist thing to do)
We have to be proactive, not wait for the next frustrated kid with a gun and an ideology to use it, come out and kill more of us.

yeah, no.

It's possible he is being, and I just learned this word a minute ago so excuse me if I am using it in the incorrect context, facetious.

 

[bustaheims]

I am advocating a far more aggressive approach, but have been near labeled a Fascist because of it.  I actually just like to put 2 and 2 together and come up with the right number.
Turns out Bibeau was one of the 90 with a revoked passport. Wow what a coinkidinky!!!
Now in three days we lost two soldiers to guys with no passports, their papers were taken away because these clowns wanted to run away and join the circus.
What we should do is transport these wannabes and drop them over ISIS territory with or without parachutes, (no difference to me) and if they happened to get killed in their jihad well then god or allah or some other diety can bless em, but if they happen to survive we don't let em back home?.ever
The alternative is to find the 90 and build a camp in the North and feed these guys until ISIS is roasted (which is the proper non-fascist thing to do)
We have to be proactive, not wait for the next frustrated kid with a gun and an ideology to use it, come out and kill more of us.

Yeah, no. Firstly, rounding up "undesirables" and putting them in a camp is very much a fascist thing to do. Secondly, rounding people up and putting them in a camp will only serve to make them more militant and more likely actually commit acts of terrorism once they're released, regardless of whether or not ISIS is still going strong. I'm all for being proactive, but, everything you suggest is seriously illegal, will only serve to embolden those who are radicalized, and will push those who are on the fence on to the side of ISIS and the many other extremist groups out there.

You've been called a fascist because everything you suggest doing bears the hallmarks of fascism. No more, no less. No one is suggesting we sit on our hands and wait, but, there's a right way and a wrong way to do things, and your suggestions are very much the wrong way.

 

[Kin]

I guess its to a point of wait and see if these attacks keep happening..

Yup. That's how policing works.

 

[Kin]

I am advocating a far more aggressive approach, but have been near labeled a Fascist because of it.  I actually just like to put 2 and 2 together and come up with the right number.
Turns out Bibeau was one of the 90 with a revoked passport. Wow what a coinkidinky!!!
Now in three days we lost two soldiers to guys with no passports, their papers were taken away because these clowns wanted to run away and join the circus.
What we should do is transport these wannabes and drop them over ISIS territory with or without parachutes, (no difference to me) and if they happened to get killed in their jihad well then god or allah or some other diety can bless em, but if they happen to survive we don't let em back home?.ever
The alternative is to find the 90 and build a camp in the North and feed these guys until ISIS is roasted (which is the proper non-fascist thing to do)
We have to be proactive, not wait for the next frustrated kid with a gun and an ideology to use it, come out and kill more of us.

Yeah, no. Firstly, rounding up "undesirables" and putting them in a camp is very much a fascist thing to do. Secondly, rounding people up and putting them in a camp will only serve to make them more militant and more likely actually commit acts of terrorism once they're released, regardless of whether or not ISIS is still going strong. I'm all for being proactive, but, everything you suggest is seriously illegal, will only serve to embolden those who are radicalized, and will push those who are on the fence on to the side of ISIS and the many other extremist groups out there.

You've been called a fascist because everything you suggest doing bears the hallmarks of fascism. No more, no less. No one is suggesting we sit on our hands and wait, but, there's a right way and a wrong way to do things, and your suggestions are very much the wrong way.

Also, for what it's worth, Highlander is wrong in more than one sense. The RCMP has said that the gunman was not one of the 90 on their watch list.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-michael-zehaf-bibeau-not-among-90-being-probed-rcmp-say-1.2810113

And, if I may riff on this, while what happened yesterday was tragic I think that what has happened the last few days do more to underline how safe we are more than how dangerous things are. Short of living in a totalitarian police state we'll never live in a world where police are so proactive that a solitary crazy person, and the RCMP now think it was only one gunman yesterday, won't get a hold of a weapon and kill someone. Whether it's because they've become Radicalized or they think Helter Skelter is about them or whatever.

But, what have we learned? The attackers, after killing one person, were then killed themselves by the trained professionals who keep us safe. Tremendous precaution was taken, to the point where an entire city was locked down because of the possibility that this was more than just one person. Despite it just being the work of one crazy person, the RCMP were aware of him and, presumably, would have been monitoring him if he'd ever had the wherewithal to be part of a larger conspiracy that could have done larger damage.

We have really good law enforcement in this Country. They performed spectacularly well. To react to what happened the last few days like the opposite is true and they need to significantly change how they deal with criminals like this...I don't get it at all.

 

[Bullfrog]

...
What we should do is transport these wannabes and drop them over ISIS territory with or without parachutes, (no difference to me) and if they happened to get killed in their jihad well then god or allah or some other diety can bless em, but if they happen to survive we don't let em back home?.ever
...

So, you're advocating the gov't rounds up people who actually haven't committed crimes yet and then murder them by throwing them out of an airplane?

You don't see anything wrong with that? "(no difference to me)"

 

[MetalRaven]

Changing laws in reaction to an event is always foolish. I mean lets face it the Americans allowed a handful of hijackers to take away the rights of millions of innocent civilians. Right to privacy? Ha! Right to assembly? Only if you invited the nsa (dont worry they'll crash it if you dont). I could go on but this will be huge if I do. My grandfather didnt die in the war so that one person with a gun could take away everyones rights. Thats foolish. Its also a huge spit in the face to the military who have done a great job keeping us safe.

 

[hockeyfan1]

I guess its to a point of wait and see if these attacks keep happening..hopefully they won't?I did watch Harper this AM saying that they would be expanding the powers of he police and intelligence agencies.  Hopefully they can diffuse things before they happen.

Because that worked so well in America.

Yes, police and intelligence agencies need broad powers but not to the point where they 'abuse' those broad powers.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

I guess its to a point of wait and see if these attacks keep happening..hopefully they won't?I did watch Harper this AM saying that they would be expanding the powers of he police and intelligence agencies.  Hopefully they can diffuse things before they happen.

Because that worked so well in America.

Yes, police and intelligence agencies need broad powers but not to the point where they 'abuse' those broad powers.

I'm pretty sure we're past that point with the revelations by Snowden and revelations of what the NSA is up to these days.

 

[L K]

As I watched via the network?s live stream in New York, I never heard a second of dramatic music, never saw a full-screen wipe with a catchy graphic like TERROR ON PARLIAMENT HILL, and never, ever heard Mansbridge or any of the CBC?s reporters dip even a toe into the waters of self-promotion.

I saw this "Attack in Ottawa" graphic several times, which the CBC used to brand the event:

I found that pretty disappointing and fearmongering.

It's true that the coverage was much more sane, and I'm very grateful for that; there was a lot less speculation than I'm accustomed to on other networks, and people remained calm and respectful. But I still cringed at some aspects that I felt were deliberately sensational, and there was still a lot of misinformation.

You should email that screengrab to the blogger.

That seems a tad unfair.  I mean, that's exactly what it was.  If it was FoxNews/CNN doing that it would probably be something more like "Terror in the Capital"

 

[L K]

The ovation for Sergeant-at-Arms Kevin Vickers.  Seeing the hurt in his eyes is tough.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu5XX-OTunc[/youtube]

 

[Stickytape]

As I watched via the network?s live stream in New York, I never heard a second of dramatic music, never saw a full-screen wipe with a catchy graphic like TERROR ON PARLIAMENT HILL, and never, ever heard Mansbridge or any of the CBC?s reporters dip even a toe into the waters of self-promotion.

I saw this "Attack in Ottawa" graphic several times, which the CBC used to brand the event:

I found that pretty disappointing and fearmongering.

It's true that the coverage was much more sane, and I'm very grateful for that; there was a lot less speculation than I'm accustomed to on other networks, and people remained calm and respectful. But I still cringed at some aspects that I felt were deliberately sensational, and there was still a lot of misinformation.

You should email that screengrab to the blogger.

That seems a tad unfair.  I mean, that's exactly what it was.  If it was FoxNews/CNN doing that it would probably be something more like "Terror in the Capital"

Yes, "ATTACK IN OTTAWA" sort-of describes the situation. But these graphics are not created for the sole purpose of describing a news story - otherwise, we would see them for all sorts of common occurrences. There is a reason that only the big, sensational stories get their own graphics: the purpose is not to describe, but to elevate and sensationalize the story in order to attract and maintain viewers. It's a step away from journalism and towards entertainment.

I also think it's important that we avoid creating a false dichotomy in comparing ourselves to the U.S. all the time. Yes, I'm also relived that it wasn't as tacky as it could have been - but it was still pretty tacky. The difference between "ATTACK IN OTTAWA" and "TERROR IN THE CAPITAL" is pretty marginal and nothing to be proud of.  It's still a splash graphic that is primarily meant to show audiences that this is a big, scary fuss - even though we had almost no idea what was going on, and the majority of what was communicated to us at the time turned out to be false.