Steve Stamkos?

[Highlander]

The only problem is 10 million is only 6 mill in Canada. That is not enough to clean Kevin O'Learys car.
Or Shark Tank!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The only problem is 10 million is only 6 mill in Canada. That is not enough to clean Kevin O'Learys car.
Or Shark Tank!

He gets paid in US dollars, so it'd actually be more in CAD.

 

[Highlander]

I see

 

[Britishbulldog]

Well, the one reason the Leafs might arguably consider trading for Stamkos' rights would be that, in that position, they could offer Stamkos an 8-year deal prior to July 1, and the most he could get from other teams is 7 years.  Them having his rights prior to July 1 is a negotiating advantage with him as well as an advantage for him if he wants to come here anyway and/or wants an 8-year deal.

I believe that the new CBA closed that option and if Stamkos (or any pending UFA) isn't traded by the TDL or March 1st then 7 years is the max.

I am not sure the details and if I have any of that correct.  I just remember hearing something along those lines. Someone else here might be able to verify or refute it.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Well, the one reason the Leafs might arguably consider trading for Stamkos' rights would be that, in that position, they could offer Stamkos an 8-year deal prior to July 1, and the most he could get from other teams is 7 years.  Them having his rights prior to July 1 is a negotiating advantage with him as well as an advantage for him if he wants to come here anyway and/or wants an 8-year deal.

I believe that the new CBA closed that option and if Stamkos (or any pending UFA) isn't traded by the TDL or March 1st then 7 years is the max.

I am not sure the details and if I have any of that correct.  I just remember hearing something along those lines. Someone else here might be able to verify or refute it.

The new CBA didn't close that option, it introduced it.

 

[Bender]

Does anyone think that perhaps going after Stamkos isn't a good idea? He might be in his 30s by the time we even start competing.

 

[AvroArrow]

Does anyone think that perhaps going after Stamkos isn't a good idea? He might be in his 30s by the time we even start competing.

I think it depends on how long they think they need to be bad.  If they expect to be bad for another 3-5 years, Stamkos makes much less sense as we'll eat up his prime years.  If they expect to be bad for only another year, then Stamkos helps them turn around faster.

My suspicion is the latter.  There's rumours of pressure from execs to turn around faster.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Well, the one reason the Leafs might arguably consider trading for Stamkos' rights would be that, in that position, they could offer Stamkos an 8-year deal prior to July 1, and the most he could get from other teams is 7 years.  Them having his rights prior to July 1 is a negotiating advantage with him as well as an advantage for him if he wants to come here anyway and/or wants an 8-year deal.

I believe that the new CBA closed that option and if Stamkos (or any pending UFA) isn't traded by the TDL or March 1st then 7 years is the max.

I am not sure the details and if I have any of that correct.  I just remember hearing something along those lines. Someone else here might be able to verify or refute it.

The new CBA didn't close that option, it introduced it.

This is what I was thinking of:

Contract Term
Maximum contract length of seven (7) years subject to Club?s ability to re-sign its own Player for a term of up to eight ( 8 ) years (provided the Player was on the Club?s Reserve List as of the most recent Trade Deadline). With respect to potential Unrestricted Free Agents only, the option to resign a Player for an 8-year term expires with the opening of Free Agency on July 1

 

[Joe S.]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

I don't care what state the team is in,  if you don't go for Stamkos then you're insane. Whether he chooses to sign here or not that's a different story.

 

[L K]

If the Leafs are still bad when Stamkos turns 30 it means Shanahan has been a colossal failure, not that signing Stamkos would be a mistake.

 

[Joe S.]

Exactly.

In any case,  I'm of the opinion that you bring Stamkos in and you immediately shave a year off the rebuild.

 

[Kin]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

Sure. Just like 21 year old 36 goal scorers aren't available too often. Where the team is talent wise kind of matters.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

Sure. Just like 21 year old 36 goal scorers aren't available too often. Where the team is talent wise kind of matters.

I don't agree for 2 reasons.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

I don't care what state the team is in,  if you don't go for Stamkos then you're insane. Whether he chooses to sign here or not that's a different story.

In the past I would be more concerned the Leafs management would over value Stamkos and misjudge players ability to be the core.  With the present management's actions displaying they assess players and contracts arguably with a little more accuracy I don't have the same apprehension of contracts being handed out.

 

[McGarnagle]

I don't care what state the team is in,  if you don't go for Stamkos then you're insane.

I clearly need some more perspective on this. Isn't it a concern to anyone that his play on the ice over the last few seasons doesn't look anything like a franchise/$10M+ player?

You look at players like Ovechkin/Tavares/Benn etc etc - and look at how they can dominate a game - Stamkos hasn't had that ability in what seems like an awful long time.

 

[Frank E]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

Sure. Just like 21 year old 36 goal scorers aren't available too often. Where the team is talent wise kind of matters.

You're giving up draft picks and prospects on the Kessel side though.  Stamkos would just be money, but big cap dollars nonetheless.

I think that McGarnagle raises a legit question though...Is Stamkos worth over the $8.5m that Tampa offered?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I don't see the issue.  These great players (even Stamkos) played multiple seasons on poor teams before the rest of the team got better.  Don't see how it would really be much different here.  Don't think signing a UFA is comparable to the Kessel situation.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I don't see the issue.  1)These great players (even Stamkos) played multiple seasons on poor teams before the rest of the team got better.  Don't see how it would really be much different here. 

2)Don't think signing a UFA is comparable to the Kessel situation.

Those are the 2 reasons.  I am just to busy to get into a 5 page debate.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

I think that McGarnagle raises a legit question though...Is Stamkos worth over the $8.5m that Tampa offered?

I agree.  That is the problem that Pittsburgh had with 2 superstars and 15 forwards who had a cap hit of $1.4 MIL or less.  Ouch!

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/PIT?year=2011

Joe S., that is why I would debate signing Stamkos at any cost even if it didn't cost any assets.  With Stamkos at his age the Leafs wouldn't get any ELC or bridge contract savings.  A player of his caliber (ie:McDavid, Matthews) probably wouldn't have a Kadri type $2.9 MIL bridge deal anyway though so...

I am guessing the Leafs will only have around $10 MIL available next summer.  I am going to 'CapFriendly' it to check.

 

[Joe S.]

Put aside where the leafs are going to be talent wise. When has a 25 year old elite centre ever been available as a Ufa? And debating whether it's worth it or not to sign him?

Sure. Just like 21 year old 36 goal scorers aren't available too often. Where the team is talent wise kind of matters.

Are you referring to Kessel? How is a trade and a Ufa comparable?