Steve Stamkos?

[CarltonTheBear]

Talking about Stamkos in the Kessel thread, Kessel in the Stamkos thread.

 

[sickbeast]

I can talk about whoever I want wherever I want. Kessel and stamkos are both implicated in this discussion.

 

[Kin]

YEAH! Who does CTB think he is trying to tell us what we can talk about and where? And what the hell does "moderator" mean?

 

[sickbeast]

I did not realize that he is a mod. He is spouting off nonsense though, I will say that.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I did not realize that he is a mod. He is spouting off nonsense though, I will say that.

Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh.

Can we please get this thread back on-topic though guys: who else is super excited about Fallout 4?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The players are a bunch of babies IMO.  They are payed millions of dollars to play a game and they can't talk to the media?  Come on, what a joke!  Kessel played like crap and doesn't want to talk about it?  Ship him out of town IMO.  Yes, the media can be harsh but part of being a celebrity is dealing with the media.  The media exists everywhere.  Yes, it's extreme in Toronto but seriously these players need to get over themselves.

As someone who has never had to deal with any of that I'm sure you're a great source on how others deal with it.

 

[sickbeast]

The players are a bunch of babies IMO.  They are payed millions of dollars to play a game and they can't talk to the media?  Come on, what a joke!  Kessel played like crap and doesn't want to talk about it?  Ship him out of town IMO.  Yes, the media can be harsh but part of being a celebrity is dealing with the media.  The media exists everywhere.  Yes, it's extreme in Toronto but seriously these players need to get over themselves.

As someone who has never had to deal with any of that I'm sure you're a great source on how others deal with it.

There are lots of people who deal with the media every day and they are paid way less.  Politicians for example.  They deal with it.  The players need to grow up.  They want us to feel sorry for them?  Come on!  They make more in one season than most of us will make in our entire lives!  Oh noes!  Someone wrote an article about me that says I suck!  Give me a break.

 

[sneakyray]

The players are a bunch of babies IMO.  They are payed millions of dollars to play a game and they can't talk to the media?  Come on, what a joke!  Kessel played like crap and doesn't want to talk about it?  Ship him out of town IMO.  Yes, the media can be harsh but part of being a celebrity is dealing with the media.  The media exists everywhere.  Yes, it's extreme in Toronto but seriously these players need to get over themselves.

As someone who has never had to deal with any of that I'm sure you're a great source on how others deal with it.

There are lots of people who deal with the media every day and they are paid way less.  Politicians for example.  They deal with it.  The players need to grow up.  They want us to feel sorry for them?  Come on!  They make more in one season than most of us will make in our entire lives!  Oh noes!  Someone wrote an article about me that says I suck!  Give me a break.

haha...and now imagine its not just one bad article but dozens, and you're giving years of your life and putting your health on the line almost nightly.  You get asked the same stupid questions over and over, you have everything about how you go about your life questioned and examined in detail.  You can't even really leave your house because you get hounded for autographs and pictures everywhere you go.  Can't just go out to the bar, can't just go out for a movie, can't just go out to get groceries without fans who recognize you. 

anyways...money aint everything.  I must say I don't envy phil or dion.  I don't envy kadri and how his dirty laundry got aired out a little bit at the end of the season last year.  I don't want journalists calling my mother to get the latest on my injury or my wife getting skewered on twitter for no good reason.

Media can be an issue but fans can be way worse.  And then they say Oh you need to take whatever ridiculous sleazebag thing I might do to you because I am paying your salary and you make stupid amounts of money.

ok...end of rant...please continue with your days!

 

[sickbeast]

The players are a bunch of babies IMO.  They are payed millions of dollars to play a game and they can't talk to the media?  Come on, what a joke!  Kessel played like crap and doesn't want to talk about it?  Ship him out of town IMO.  Yes, the media can be harsh but part of being a celebrity is dealing with the media.  The media exists everywhere.  Yes, it's extreme in Toronto but seriously these players need to get over themselves.

As someone who has never had to deal with any of that I'm sure you're a great source on how others deal with it.

There are lots of people who deal with the media every day and they are paid way less.  Politicians for example.  They deal with it.  The players need to grow up.  They want us to feel sorry for them?  Come on!  They make more in one season than most of us will make in our entire lives!  Oh noes!  Someone wrote an article about me that says I suck!  Give me a break.

haha...and now imagine its not just one bad article but dozens, and you're giving years of your life and putting your health on the line almost nightly.  You get asked the same stupid questions over and over, you have everything about how you go about your life questioned and examined in detail.  You can't even really leave your house because you get hounded for autographs and pictures everywhere you go.  Can't just go out to the bar, can't just go out for a movie, can't just go out to get groceries without fans who recognize you. 

anyways...money aint everything.  I must say I don't envy phil or dion.  I don't envy kadri and how his dirty laundry got aired out a little bit at the end of the season last year.  I don't want journalists calling my mother to get the latest on my injury or my wife getting skewered on twitter for no good reason.

Media can be an issue but fans can be way worse.  And then they say Oh you need to take whatever ridiculous sleazebag thing I might do to you because I am paying your salary and you make stupid amounts of money.

ok...end of rant...please continue with your days!

What about police and firemen who put their lives on the line every day?  Or soldiers?  What about construction workers who take a way bigger toll on their bodies plus they risk death every day on the job.

I'm sorry, but you're not going to build any sympathy with me for players who are paid millions of dollars to play a game.

If I got paid $8 million/year I would talk to all of the reporters in the city every day if they wanted to talk to me, and really I wouldn't care or worry about what they wrote about me.

 

[Kin]

What about police and firemen who put their lives on the line every day?  Or soldiers?  What about construction workers who take a way bigger toll on their bodies plus they risk death every day on the job.

Or the children. Why won't someone think of the children?

 

[sneakyray]

What about police and firemen who put their lives on the line every day?  Or soldiers?  What about construction workers who take a way bigger toll on their bodies plus they risk death every day on the job.

Or the children. Why won't someone think of the children?

This made me laugh heartily.

 

[sneakyray]

Seriously though Stamkos is good...the leafs should get that guy.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

As much as I'd love for Stamkos to be a Leaf, I know it's not going to happen. I really hope he signs an extension with the Bolts this summer so we don't have to deal with a year full of absurd rumours and speculation about how he's sure to sign with the Leafs, only to see him re-sign with Tampa.

I had to do it (my apologies). 

Yzerman's top priority was to get Stamkos signed to an extension this summer. He didn't. Instead, Steven took batting practice with the Blue Jays.

Timing aside, perhaps sickbeast was on to something!

Please take this with a grain of salt, I heard this from my father...

He was saying that the Leafs may be about to sign Steve Stamkos.

I assume he heard this somewhere in the media.

Anyhow I just thought I would throw that one out there.  Enjoy.

 

[pnjunction]

I'm not sure how Stamkos even fits with the long term outlook of the team.  I don't see how we contend inside 5 years and after that he will be 30, starting to decline and sucking up big cap space that we might need for younger players entering their prime at that time.  I mean it was obvious that we missed the boat on Kessel and he is only 2 years older.

I look at a guy like Lecavalier that I would have loved to see the Leafs get when he was 25 and was putting up over a point per game, but after 30 his production fell off a cliff.  Stamkos might not fall off the same but just an example of what we might be getting into.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I'm not sure how Stamkos even fits with the long term outlook of the team.  I don't see how we contend inside 5 years and after that he will be 30, starting to decline and sucking up big cap space that we might need for younger players entering their prime at that time.  I mean it was obvious that we missed the boat on Kessel and he is only 2 years older.

I look at a guy like Lecavalier that I would have loved to see the Leafs get when he was 25 and was putting up over a point per game, but after 30 his production fell off a cliff.  Stamkos might not fall off the same but just an example of what we might be getting into.

Assuming the unlikely, he would be 26 when he signs with the Leafs. Max contract for a UFA would be 7 years, putting him at 32 in his last year. That's a gamble I would be willing to take in getting one of the best centers in the game, entering his prime.

 

[dappleganger]

Signing Stamkos for 7 years at league-leading money is a no brainer. He'll still be productive at age 32. Most upper echelon players are still productive at that age. It would actually be a good age to get out of that type of contract.

 

[pnjunction]

If the team were going to be any good in the next 3-4 years I would agree, what I question is what the team would accomplish during the contract and what the cap limitations would be ie. who might have to go due to cap limits while he was here. 

I suppose he could always be moved if it's clear we are going to miss his window in the last few years.  The nightmare scenario would be that he declines to unmoveable status (ie Phaneuf if he doesn't turn it around, Lecavalier, many others) and then we're handcuffed with big cap. Tampa got a (cap-)free buyout on Lecavalier a luxury that won't be available in the future.

Still if he's willing to sign here you almost have to do it because of how hard it is to land that kind of talent outside the draft without giving up assets...

 

[bustaheims]

Signing Stamkos for 7 years at league-leading money is a no brainer. He'll still be productive at age 32. Most upper echelon players are still productive at that age. It would actually be a good age to get out of that type of contract.

It's a no brainer for a team in position to take advantage of more than the last couple seasons of that contract. It's not much use to a team that's going to waste the most productive years of it.

 

[Frank E]

It's a no brainer for a team in position to take advantage of more than the last couple seasons of that contract. It's not much use to a team that's going to waste the most productive years of it.

Not that I'm saying that this should be pursued, but with all the talk of culture change and bringing in discipline and all that stuff, Stamkos would be a guy that sort of personifies that work-ethic message.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If the team were going to be any good in the next 3-4 years I would agree, what I question is what the team would accomplish during the contract and what the cap limitations would be ie. who might have to go due to cap limits while he was here. 

I suppose he could always be moved if it's clear we are going to miss his window in the last few years.  The nightmare scenario would be that he declines to unmoveable status (ie Phaneuf if he doesn't turn it around, Lecavalier, many others) and then we're handcuffed with big cap. Tampa got a (cap-)free buyout on Lecavalier a luxury that won't be available in the future.

Still if he's willing to sign here you almost have to do it because of how hard it is to land that kind of talent outside the draft without giving up assets...

Lecavalier put up 54 points in 65 games as a 30/31-year-old (25 goals), and 49 points in 64 games as a 31/32-year-old (22 goals). Not bad production, and given that this would be the end-point of Stamkos' contract, and taking into account that Stamkos is a better player, I would still sign Stamkos without hesitation.