Tank Nation: Matthews Edition

[Al14]

just another option but if they are picking 4th, for exmple, it will be more enticing than if they were picking first or second.  Obviously depends on which player also.

An offersheet would not involve this year's draft picks. It's generally not a smart team building strategy, as you basically to significant overpay in terms of both the cap and the assets sacrificed. It's best avoided.

It is best avoided, unless, you want to drive up the price, and the cap hit, for a competitor.  I'm surprised it's not done more often.

 

[bustaheims]

It is best avoided, unless, you want to drive up the price, and the cap hit, for a competitor.  I'm surprised it's not done more often.

Because, what it actually ends up doing is driving the market up for everyone. It really just leads to other free agents demanding more money. GMs tend to prefer to avoid inflationary measures like that.

 

[Frank E]

It is best avoided, unless, you want to drive up the price, and the cap hit, for a competitor.  I'm surprised it's not done more often.

...GMs tend to prefer to avoid inflationary measures like that.

Except on July 1st when they lose their collective minds.

 

[Al14]

It is best avoided, unless, you want to drive up the price, and the cap hit, for a competitor.  I'm surprised it's not done more often.

Because, what it actually ends up doing is driving the market up for everyone. It really just leads to other free agents demanding more money. GMs tend to prefer to avoid inflationary measures like that.

It does drive up the market for everyone, however, it can also seriously handcuff another team if they feel forced to match.  I think most teams will reluctantly match.

 

[Al14]

It is best avoided, unless, you want to drive up the price, and the cap hit, for a competitor.  I'm surprised it's not done more often.

...GMs tend to prefer to avoid inflationary measures like that.

Except on July 1st when they lose their collective minds.

Exactly!  Stupid is as stupid does on July 1st!

 

[Highlander]

Well spoken Forrest A/14

 

[bustaheims]

Except on July 1st when they lose their collective minds.

Well, UFAs are a slightly different story, but, even then, over the last couple summers, we've seen a little less craziness in the market.

 

[bustaheims]

It does drive up the market for everyone, however, it can also seriously handcuff another team if they feel forced to match.  I think most teams will reluctantly match.

But, sometimes, they don't. So, best case scenario, you've inconvenienced one team, angered a potential future trade partner, and unnecessarily added to the inflation of salaries around the league. Worst case scenario? You'd handcuffed yourself by adding a player with an unnecessarily inflated salary, angered a potential trade partner, inflated salaries around the league, and given away draft picks for the privilege of doing so. The potential costs of an offer sheet far outweigh the potential benefits. That's why you don't see them being used with any frequency.

 

[Kin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction

 

[Tigger]

It does drive up the market for everyone, however, it can also seriously handcuff another team if they feel forced to match.  I think most teams will reluctantly match.

But, sometimes, they don't. So, best case scenario, you've inconvenienced one team, angered a potential future trade partner, and unnecessarily added to the inflation of salaries around the league. Worst case scenario? You'd handcuffed yourself by adding a player with an unnecessarily inflated salary, angered a potential trade partner, inflated salaries around the league, and given away draft picks for the privilege of doing so. The potential costs of an offer sheet far outweigh the potential benefits. That's why you don't see them being used with any frequency.

Never mind having Alexander Godunov show up to supervise your barn raising...

 

[Al14]

I can't wait to see the fruits of all this drafting and development.  In 10 years I want to be able to look at the team and see a Chicago or Detroit type of success, year in, year out they're contenders and always seem to have a crop of good young players in the system ready to step in.  I know Detroit isn't as good as they were, but still 25 straight seasons in the playoffs is the type of long term success that Leafs fans can only dream about right now.

10 years, really?  10 years?  How about starting to see some success in 4 to 5 years?

 

[Zee]

I can't wait to see the fruits of all this drafting and development.  In 10 years I want to be able to look at the team and see a Chicago or Detroit type of success, year in, year out they're contenders and always seem to have a crop of good young players in the system ready to step in.  I know Detroit isn't as good as they were, but still 25 straight seasons in the playoffs is the type of long term success that Leafs fans can only dream about right now.

10 years, really?  10 years?  How about starting to see some success in 4 to 5 years?

I meant that in 10 years we can look back at an already successful team and realize that it's long lasting success because of how the organization was built correctly from top to bottom. By that time I would hope the Leafs have already made the playoffs for 6-7 seasons consecutively.

 

[Al14]

I can't wait to see the fruits of all this drafting and development.  In 10 years I want to be able to look at the team and see a Chicago or Detroit type of success, year in, year out they're contenders and always seem to have a crop of good young players in the system ready to step in.  I know Detroit isn't as good as they were, but still 25 straight seasons in the playoffs is the type of long term success that Leafs fans can only dream about right now.

10 years, really?  10 years?  How about starting to see some success in 4 to 5 years?

I meant that in 10 years we can look back at an already successful team and realize that it's long lasting success because of how the organization was built correctly from top to bottom. By that time I would hope the Leafs have already made the playoffs for 6-7 seasons consecutively.

My bad, I read it as only starting to see success in 10 years!  Again, my mistake!

 

[Kaberle15]

How low can the Pens pick get?

 

[L K]

How low can the Pens pick get?

30th - Stanley Cup Winner (Minnesota)
29th - Stanley Cup Loser (Islanders)
28th - Best Record of Conference Finals Loser (Flyers)
27th - The Other Conference Finals Loser (Nashville)
26th - Metropolitan Winner (Washington 120 points)
25th - Central Winner (Dallas 109)
24th - Pacific Winner (Anaheim 103)
23rd - Atlantic Winner (Florida 103)
22nd - St. Louis (107 points)
21st - Pittsburgh (104 points)

That would be a best case scenario:
29th/30th are the Stanley Cup Finals teams
27th/28th are the Conference Finals losers
Any remaining division winners are then ranked next
After that the teams that lost in the first two rounds are ranked based on usual NHL tiebreakers (points, ROW, head-to-head)

 

[Redleaf]

How low can the Pens pick get?

30th - Stanley Cup Winner (Minnesota)
29th - Stanley Cup Loser (Islanders)
28th - Best Record of Conference Finals Loser (Flyers)
27th - The Other Conference Finals Loser (Nashville)
26th - Metropolitan Winner (Washington 120 points)
25th - Central Winner (Dallas 109)
24th - Pacific Winner (Anaheim 103)
23rd - Atlantic Winner (Florida 103)
22nd - St. Louis (107 points)
21st - Pittsburgh (104 points)

That would be a best case scenario:
29th/30th are the Stanley Cup Finals teams
27th/28th are the Conference Finals losers
Any remaining division winners are then ranked next
After that the teams that lost in the first two rounds are ranked based on usual NHL tiebreakers (points, ROW, head-to-head)

Go Rangers!

 

[Al14]

How low can the Pens pick get?

30th - Stanley Cup Winner (Minnesota)
29th - Stanley Cup Loser (Islanders)
28th - Best Record of Conference Finals Loser (Flyers)
27th - The Other Conference Finals Loser (Nashville)
26th - Metropolitan Winner (Washington 120 points)
25th - Central Winner (Dallas 109)
24th - Pacific Winner (Anaheim 103)
23rd - Atlantic Winner (Florida 103)
22nd - St. Louis (107 points)
21st - Pittsburgh (104 points)

That would be a best case scenario:
29th/30th are the Stanley Cup Finals teams
27th/28th are the Conference Finals losers
Any remaining division winners are then ranked next
After that the teams that lost in the first two rounds are ranked based on usual NHL tiebreakers (points, ROW, head-to-head)

Go Rangers!

Yeah, go Rangers... golfing that is! 

They're not impressing me with their efforts against the Pens!  Putrid effort, actually.  Every Ranger player should be embarrassed when Phil Kessel looks like a better hockey player than any of them.

King Henrik needs to find a way to stop the puck from entering his net, so often, through his five hole!

Rant over. 

 

[Bullfrog]

Yeah, go Rangers... golfing that is! 

They're not impressing me with their efforts against the Pens!  Putrid effort, actually.  Every Ranger player should be embarrassed when Phil Kessel looks like a better hockey player than any of them.

King Henrik needs to find a way to stop the puck from entering his net, so often, through his five hole!

Rant over. 

But Phil Kessel is a very good hockey player.

 

[bustaheims]

But Phil Kessel is a very good hockey player.

And a point-per-game playoff performer throughout his career.

Also, he would have been 2nd on the Rangers in scoring this season - and that's in a season where he produced below what many expected of him. He is, in fact, a better hockey player than the majority of players on the Rangers' roster.

 

[Al14]

But Phil Kessel is a very good hockey player.

And a point-per-game playoff performer throughout his career.

Also, he would have been 2nd on the Rangers in scoring this season - and that's in a season where he produced below what many expected of him. He is, in fact, a better hockey player than the majority of players on the Rangers' roster.

Sounds like Shanahan made a huge mistake in trading Phil!  ???

Fire Shanahan!  8)