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Tavares

Frank E said:
Bullfrog said:
I can understand that. I once had a dinner with a well-known Canadian celebrity and his family and it was really annoying. The worst was the constant flow of people saying:

- "you know, I don't normally come up to people, but....."
- "I'm so sorry for interrupting your dinner, but...."
- "Could I just get a quick picture....it'll only take a second...."

Once or twice would be ok; but after the 20th time.....well I came to understand the prison that fame can be. The fans being polite didn't help much, because it was the total amount of interruption that was annoying, not any single request.

I think you were more annoyed with it than I was, Frog.  I'm used to it, and it doesn't bother me.  I actually enjoy all the adulation.  I much enjoyed our dinner, and I think I made those 20 or so peoples' evenings. 

What I thought was rude is that you didn't even offer to pick up the tab.

Very nicely done.

As for Nik, I happen to know that he's on the payroll of the San Jose Chamber of Commerce so just ignore him.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Frank E said:
I think one big difference between being an entertainment celebrity, and a NHL hockey player in Toronto, is that being in the entertainment business requires some press to keep you in the limelight to maintain your fame, and therefore, your paycheques.

Well, that and you figure that the entertainment business is one where one of the draws might be for people who like attention. Meanwhile dopes like Lamoriello are constantly preaching a hockey culture that holds up seeking individual attention as a grave moral failing on par with murdering children or growing a beard.

OK, so several of you are in good form today.
 
bustaheims said:
Bullfrog said:
I really don't think anonymity is a key factor. He still chooses to live in Toronto in the summer, so clearly it doesn't bother him.

Agreed. I think we can largely strike that one off. It's a little different during the season, but the team is also on the road half that time, and players are pretty busy with practices, meetings, and games while they're in town, so it feels like a non-factor.

I still suspect he stays with the Islanders - mostly because elite free agents stay with their teams. Other than Niedermayer, I honestly can't think of another that left their original team as a free agent before the twilight of their careers.

I?ve lived in Toronto my whole life and I?ve never run into a leaf player anywhere. Ever. I don?t get this ?getting harassed in the streets? mentality. And whatever restaurants they go to I sure as hell cant afford.
 
Joe S. said:
I?ve lived in Toronto my whole life and I?ve never run into a leaf player anywhere. Ever. I don?t get this ?getting harassed in the streets? mentality. And whatever restaurants they go to I sure as hell cant afford.

Same. The only time I've ever run into a Leaf - or even a former Leaf - that wasn't at an event where they were publicized to be part of has been at the ACC. It's much easier for them to stay out of the spotlight than people like to play up. I mean, I like to think of myself as a pretty serious fan, but, truthfully, I wouldn't recognize most of the team out in the real world - and, even some of the more prominent players wouldn't be instantly recognizable to me. We don't really get much exposure to them out of uniform - or, even, just without their helmets on - and that makes it harder for them to be instantly recognized. We also don't really hear that much about the players outside of the context of the team and the game. Stuff from their personal lives really only get reported on when it seems to have an impact on the team or their individual performance (with some exceptions, of course - but, it's not like the "media fishbowl" extends outside the rink very often).

And, honestly, outside of some of the top handful of guys in the league, I'm not sure I'd recognize too many hockey players (or other athletes) out in the real world, in general.
 
Joe S. said:
I don?t get this ?getting harassed in the streets? mentality. And whatever restaurants they go to I sure as hell cant afford.

Well, sure, but I don't think anyone was accusing you of harassing these guys. But they do go out into the world. And the most famous guys on the Leafs are pretty recognizable. Especially if, as is frequently mentioned, they're going to start doing a lot of commercial work to capitalize on the fame.

That said, I don't think it's really an issue of being harassed on the streets. To be honest I'm not really sure who said that was a thing.
 
I've met a few Leaf players over the years and honestly, no one on the streets knew who they were.  And even if people did recognize them or thought they did, they didn't bother them for the most part.

Anonymity may be a factor for Tavares living here (re: in the Summers ) but truly, come to think of it, if he valued this anonymity stuff, he wouldn't even have bothered to meet with the Leafs brass.  It's apparently that Johnny T.'s priorities lie deeper than worrying about peace and quiet.

I don't believe he's crossed out the Leafs on his list just yet.  If he doesn't re-sign with the Islanders but with some other, then he will have had a host of other reasons for choosing to finish his career elsewhere.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Joe S. said:
I don?t get this ?getting harassed in the streets? mentality. And whatever restaurants they go to I sure as hell cant afford.

Well, sure, but I don't think anyone was accusing you of harassing these guys. But they do go out into the world. And the most famous guys on the Leafs are pretty recognizable. Especially if, as is frequently mentioned, they're going to start doing a lot of commercial work to capitalize on the fame.

That said, I don't think it's really an issue of being harassed on the streets. To be honest I'm not really sure who said that was a thing.

When I lived in Portland (OR) my wife and I had dinner one night 2 tables over from Robert Redford. Not a single person approached the table in the couple of hours we were there. Unless you're in LA - where people call their PR people to let them know where they'll be, rather than attempt to be anonymous - I'm not sure celebrity mugging is much of a thing.
 
A summary so far...

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Tavares reportedly was impressed by the thorough pitches from all six teams: The Leafs, Islanders, Sharks, Bruins, Lightning and Stars. It?s believed that, should Tavares walk away from the Isles, it?s the Sharks and Leafs at Nos. 1 and 2 on his list; San Jose has the same quiet surroundings as Long Island to go with a bevy of veterans, a strong goaltender and a situation far away from the Islanders.

The Leafs have their young stars, a coach in Mike Babcock whom Tavares highly respects (of course, he has that now too with the Islanders in Barry Trotz) and the possibility of a one-year max offer of around $16 million for next season before a possible eight-year extension at a more modest number afterwards
 
Nik the Trik said:
Joe S. said:
I don?t get this ?getting harassed in the streets? mentality. And whatever restaurants they go to I sure as hell cant afford.

Well, sure, but I don't think anyone was accusing you of harassing these guys. But they do go out into the world. And the most famous guys on the Leafs are pretty recognizable. Especially if, as is frequently mentioned, they're going to start doing a lot of commercial work to capitalize on the fame.

That said, I don't think it's really an issue of being harassed on the streets. To be honest I'm not really sure who said that was a thing.

I don?t know if anyone here explicitly said it or it was implied in some of the comments. In reateospect I think I?m reacting more to what I?m hearing in the radio about the athletes want for privacy and that will be compromised in Toronto.

I learned through the last week that Tavares lives here in the off season - I had no clue. And it seems most had no idea. Unless a player decides to live in the heart of downtown and maintain a public persona on the streets, then I think you can disappear easily in this city.

Anyway - not just kind of throwing a bunch of thoughts out there. That?s all.
 
Joe S. said:
I don?t know if anyone here explicitly said it or it was implied in some of the comments. In reateospect I think I?m reacting more to what I?m hearing in the radio about the athletes want for privacy and that will be compromised in Toronto.

I learned through the last week that Tavares lives here in the off season - I had no clue. And it seems most had no idea. Unless a player decides to live in the heart of downtown and maintain a public persona on the streets, then I think you can disappear easily in this city.

Anyway - not just kind of throwing a bunch of thoughts out there. That?s all.

No, I think you make a fair point that the sort of day to day on the street stuff isn't likely to be a big deal. Hockey player or no, the wealthy have done a pretty good job of insulating themselves from the rest of us. Like you say, you and I aren't likely to be going to the restaurants or bars that hockey players do and the people who are there are probably the types to get pretty bored pretty quickly with guys like that.

That said, I do know people who've worked at bars/restaurants like that and they do tell stories. I don't think I need to go into specifics to point out that many a Leafs' extra curricular activities have then become fodder for local gossip in a way that it might not in cities where they weren't such big deals.

I also think, for what it's worth, that we're sort of limited in our scope of discussing this because it's been a long, long time since the Leafs really had a super popular player and even then they've never had a real top of the league-type superstar probably in the last, oh, 80 years? How would a Crosby/McDavid like player be treated here? Especially if they won a cup? Would they be the most famous person in the city? What would it be like for them on social media? Or on their families' social media? These are questions we really don't know the answer to(although, as I mentioned re: Phaneuf, there are indications that it wouldn't be great).
 
hockeyfan1 said:
A logical summation...

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Damn. Just come out and tell us already John. You're dragging this out too long. It?s the Leafs right ? lol.
 
RedLeaf said:
hockeyfan1 said:
A logical summation...

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Damn. Just come out and tell us already John. You're dragging this out too long. It?s the Leafs right ? lol.
Yeah it's beyond ridiculous at this point. Just choose already.
 
Zee said:
RedLeaf said:
hockeyfan1 said:
A logical summation...

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Damn. Just come out and tell us already John. You're dragging this out too long. It?s the Leafs right ? lol.
Yeah it's beyond ridiculous at this point. Just choose already.

I will only respect his decision if he announces it on live television in front of some kids.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Zee said:
RedLeaf said:
hockeyfan1 said:
A logical summation...

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Damn. Just come out and tell us already John. You're dragging this out too long. It?s the Leafs right ? lol.
Yeah it's beyond ridiculous at this point. Just choose already.

I will only respect his decision if he announces it on live television in front of some kids.
And it's the Leafs
 
Supposedly he has to sign by midnight tonight if he wants an 8 year deal with Isles.

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1012055916747862016
 
AvroArrow said:
Supposedly he has to sign by midnight tonight if he wants an 8 year deal with Isles.

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1012055916747862016

This is why a lot of people think that because it hasn't been announced yet, that it probably means that he isn't going to the Islanders.  Once he becomes a free agent, the max contract he can get is for 7 years. 
 
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