The Brian Burke Thread

[Highlander]

Sorry to rant, but in the words of Howard Beale "I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
Listen I am still on the road, if anyone wants to take up the battle cry then god bless but I can't from where I am at. Perhaps Cox should be coaxed.
And i wish I was staying at something as nice a Comfort Inn. LOL

 

[Kin]

If there is not one there now there was a few years back...but U are missing the point and hotels are just a small part of it...if you could look at the small details of the players agreements you would be astounded at the hundreds of small perks they are afforded..but enough about this...the core issue....is why will you suffer for the greed of owners and players.....we live and breath for our Leafs and the game....but the thing is they don't give a flying rats ass about you or me or any of us.....I say F____em...let them suffer....if they do not play this year...withdraw your support for 13-14 season, simple, if you can live one more year without them.....let them live another year without us.

Or, and bear with me on this one, let's say that maybe some people see the Leafs with a slightly different perspective. Let's say they see NHL hockey as an entertainment. One they enjoy a great deal, yes, but not to the extent that it's absence causes suffering in any meaningful sense of the word. Maybe they have other avenues through which they derive entertainment. Maybe they don't feel as though they're entitled to NHL hockey being on and are willing to indulge in it despite its occasional absences to labour strife because those absences don't cause them to feel great personal sorrow.

If the Leafs are on, great. If not, then I can follow the Raptors or go to the movies or the theatre or any one of many other options for my entertainment dollar. When the league returns, my interest in high level hockey won't have disappeared. I don't care how much NHL players make. They should be entitled to the same thing the rest of us have, the right to negotiate the best deal for themselves with their employers. The reason they're so well  compensated is because they're in the top six or seven hundred at their profession in the entire world and the interest in top level professional hockey generates billions of dollars. To quote Betty Draper, I don't count other people's money. If they're living well, mazel tov.

You're right. There's an issue with entitlement here. It's just not on the part of the owners or the players though.

 

[Sudafederov]

To quote Betty Draper, I don't count other people's money. If they're living well, mazel tov.

Wasn't he one of the Russian Five who used to play for Detroit? 

Sweet hands that guy.

 

[Brian Glennie]

They should be entitled to the same thing the rest of us have, the right to negotiate the best deal for themselves with their employers.

You were kidding here, right?

 

[hockeyfan1]

Listen, I travel for a living and if you have stayed at the Chateau in Ottawa you would realize that the Sheraton is a much nicer room and further away from the night life. What I am saying is most people do not accumulate wealth until their 40's and then stay at the nicer properties.  I do agree with you as one who lives on the road constantly for his work that a nicer hotel is great.
Those of you who do not remember Bobby Baun playing with a broken ankle for peanuts because he loved the sport and when season was finished sold cars or insurance to supplement the meager salaries they used to be paid.
Don't any of you feel pissed off and taken or do you all blame the owners and this is there fault. Listen players are mollycoddled and spoon fed like babies these days and have pensions where they never have to work again or worry about the bills that all of us struggle to make. We are all like druggies for he NHL and hockey is our Fix and the Leafs are our God...
To tell you the truth I no longer watch NBA cause I just don't care to watch it and the NHL can't stand another road accident which will happen with this lockout.....so why do you let yourself suffer....make them suffer

The Leafs won the Stanley Cup on that broken ankle! 

That's courage, determination, and dedication all rolled into one!

 

[Kin]

You were kidding here, right?

Nope.

 

[Highlander]

Nik, again you miss the point, yes a man can negotiate the best deal for himself, but unions change all that and protect the weak.
The reason I don't watch the Raptors anymore is the same reason I won't watch hockey for a year if they strike is the same reason. They locked us out so they way we hit there interests is to lock them out.
I have had my say. I'm done

 

[TimKerr]

Nik, again you miss the point, yes a man can negotiate the best deal for himself, but unions change all that and protect the weak.
The reason I don't watch the Raptors anymore is the same reason I won't watch hockey for a year if they strike is the same reason. They locked us out so they way we hit there interests is to lock them out.
I have had my say. I'm done

Just a question, who are the weak in this analogy? Is it the 4th line goons that make the league minimum? Is it the rookies who come in the league and can only get 3 year contracts at a capped amount? I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from?

 

[Tigger]

Nik, again you miss the point, yes a man can negotiate the best deal for himself, but unions change all that and protect the weak.
The reason I don't watch the Raptors anymore is the same reason I won't watch hockey for a year if they strike is the same reason. They locked us out so they way we hit there interests is to lock them out.
I have had my say. I'm done

I could be wrong but I think you're confusing the function of a union with your perspective of entertainment.

Fwiw, I stopped watching baseball after 1995, my interest in the sport was pretty high at the time but I never played it and when it was gone, I found I didn't miss it and never went back. With hockey and me it's a little different, I play and love the sport but my gut feeling is that I might not miss NHL hockey if the players are locked out again. That's not because of labour strife necessarily more that my interest, in confluence with it, might take a large step backwards.

I'll always play and maintain some level of interest, but if it's gone for any significant time, I'll likely treat NHL hockey with tepid enthusiasm.

 

[TimKerr]

Nik, again you miss the point, yes a man can negotiate the best deal for himself, but unions change all that and protect the weak.
The reason I don't watch the Raptors anymore is the same reason I won't watch hockey for a year if they strike is the same reason. They locked us out so they way we hit there interests is to lock them out.
I have had my say. I'm done

I could be wrong but I think you're confusing the function of a union with your perspective of entertainment.

Fwiw, I stopped watching baseball after 1995, my interest in the sport was pretty high at the time but I never played it and when it was gone, I found I didn't miss it and never went back. With hockey and me it's a little different, I play and love the sport but my gut feeling is that I might not miss NHL hockey if the players are locked out again. That's not because of labour strife necessarily more that my interest, in confluence with it, might take a large step backwards.

I'll always play and maintain some level of interest, but if it's gone for any significant time, I'll likely treat NHL hockey with tepid enthusiasm.

I wonder how many considered boycotting all movies and all TV when the writers went on strike a few years back. I'm going to guess very, very few.

 

[Tigger]

I'm going to say 'what are producers, directors, editors and actors'...

 

[TimKerr]

I'm going to say 'what are producers, directors, editors and actors'...

Touche

 

[Tigger]

I'm going to say 'what are producers, directors, editors and actors'...

Touche

To be fair, I don't imagine a ton will move away from the NHL as you were comparing to the writers, my comment was more about my overall feel for the game currently. I mean, I love hockey, I love the Leafs but I'm not tied to the NHL and have a feeling that, for me, a lockout will have an effect, though it won't be in a vacuum. There's a great many things I don't like about the NHL currently, so it'd be just one more dog on the fire.

 

[Highlander]

Hi Tim and Tigger,
What is the capped amount for 3 years.  $500K or plus per year?  You make a million or a million and a half in 3 years and see what life becomes. I am not mixing up unions with entertainment. I am just an individualist whom believes everyman should negotiate for himself based on ability. If a Sundin goes to Leaf management and demands 10 Million a year and they do not want to pay, someone else will. Tim, you are naturally in agreement with me to some extent, as I too stopped watching baseball and subsequently basketball because of the strikes and although Hockey is on a different scale completely to me, I still feel the fans have a right in this negotiation, a trinity so to speak as we are part of the equation, we are actually the biggest factor in this equation for without us there is no "Them".  If we could launch a petition for our rights in this negotiation with the bargaining tool being we turn our back on their interests (if they strike for the year) by saying no thanks for the 13-14 season. no tickets, no caps etc.  It will never happen but if it did it would be interesting to watch it play out.

 

[Fletch]

I did stop watching Baseball after 94, but that was because of how the strike happened.  I was a the Montreal Expos fan.  I had my tickets bought to go and see them play that August, and planned an October trip to see them in the World Series.  The strike took both of those dreams, and ultimately, the Expos away.  They killed the season, my dreams, the Expos, and my love of baseball with their strike.

I can't see that happening with hockey.  If there is a lockout, it will take away the beginning of the season, or, worst-case scenario, the whole season.  It won't build up to a grand finale, then take away that grand finale.

Plus, I won't stop watching hockey because hockey is an important part of my life.  It is that "something special" that my oldest daughter and I share.  It is something that I've always enjoyed.  Being an Expos fan was something I did in solitude.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Hi Tim and Tigger,
What is the capped amount for 3 years.  $500K or plus per year?  You make a million or a million and a half in 3 years and see what life becomes. I am not mixing up unions with entertainment. I am just an individualist whom believes everyman should negotiate for himself based on ability. If a Sundin goes to Leaf management and demands 10 Million a year and they do not want to pay, someone else will. Tim, you are naturally in agreement with me to some extent, as I too stopped watching baseball and subsequently basketball because of the strikes and although Hockey is on a different scale completely to me, I still feel the fans have a right in this negotiation, a trinity so to speak as we are part of the equation, we are actually the biggest factor in this equation for without us there is no "Them".  If we could launch a petition for our rights in this negotiation with the bargaining tool being we turn our back on their interests (if they strike for the year) by saying no thanks for the 13-14 season. no tickets, no caps etc.  It will never happen but if it did it would be interesting to watch it play out.

Exactly. 

 

[hockeyfan1]

I'm going to say 'what are producers, directors, editors and actors'...

Touche

To be fair, I don't imagine a ton will move away from the NHL as you were comparing to the writers, my comment was more about my overall feel for the game currently. I mean, I love hockey, I love the Leafs but I'm not tied to the NHL and have a feeling that, for me, a lockout will have an effect, though it won't be in a vacuum. There's a great many things I don't like about the NHL currently, so it'd be just one more dog on the fire.

To be fair, writers, directors, actors, actresses, even musicians, are far more creative than any sports jock can be. 

 

[Tigger]

Hi Tim and Tigger,
What is the capped amount for 3 years.  $500K or plus per year?  You make a million or a million and a half in 3 years and see what life becomes. I am not mixing up unions with entertainment. I am just an individualist whom believes everyman should negotiate for himself based on ability. If a Sundin goes to Leaf management and demands 10 Million a year and they do not want to pay, someone else will. Tim, you are naturally in agreement with me to some extent, as I too stopped watching baseball and subsequently basketball because of the strikes and although Hockey is on a different scale completely to me, I still feel the fans have a right in this negotiation, a trinity so to speak as we are part of the equation, we are actually the biggest factor in this equation for without us there is no "Them".  If we could launch a petition for our rights in this negotiation with the bargaining tool being we turn our back on their interests (if they strike for the year) by saying no thanks for the 13-14 season. no tickets, no caps etc.  It will never happen but if it did it would be interesting to watch it play out.

Hey there Bates Bot, how goes it... olio? ( is that how the kids say it? )

 

[Fletch]

I'm going to say 'what are producers, directors, editors and actors'...

Touche

To be fair, I don't imagine a ton will move away from the NHL as you were comparing to the writers, my comment was more about my overall feel for the game currently. I mean, I love hockey, I love the Leafs but I'm not tied to the NHL and have a feeling that, for me, a lockout will have an effect, though it won't be in a vacuum. There's a great many things I don't like about the NHL currently, so it'd be just one more dog on the fire.

To be fair, writers, directors, actors, actresses, even musicians, are far more creative than any sports jock can be. 

I beg to differ.  Explain this then:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvxitGgI1n8[/youtube]

or this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1F9kUDBHw[/youtube]

 

[hockeyfan1]

I'm going to say 'what are producers, directors, editors and actors'...

Touche

To be fair, I don't imagine a ton will move away from the NHL as you were comparing to the writers, my comment was more about my overall feel for the game currently. I mean, I love hockey, I love the Leafs but I'm not tied to the NHL and have a feeling that, for me, a lockout will have an effect, though it won't be in a vacuum. There's a great many things I don't like about the NHL currently, so it'd be just one more dog on the fire.

To be fair, writers, directors, actors, actresses, even musicians, are far more creative than any sports jock can be. 

I beg to differ.  Explain this then:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvxitGgI1n8[/youtube]

or this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG1F9kUDBHw[/youtube]

Nice talent.  How many albums have they sold yet?

Seriously, I was referring to a majority of creative artists vis a vis sports jocks.