OldTimeHockey
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hobarth said:
Jarnkrok had 20 goals bouncing between all 3 lines. Why would you bury him on the 4th line? What sort of depth are you looking for out of a 3rd liner that can play 1st and 2nd line minutes?
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Jarnkrok had 20 goals bouncing between all 3 lines. Why would you bury him on the 4th line? What sort of depth are you looking for out of a 3rd liner that can play 1st and 2nd line minutes?
OldTimeHockey said:
20 goals is nice if that player is/was doing something to justify his existence on whatever line he played on, Jarnkrok was horrible on TO's 3rd line, he was neither offensively or defensively relevant, he simply was there. I remember Sather saying about Blair McDonald after he scored 40 goals on Gretzky's line, a firehydrant could score 40 on Gretzky's line, Jarnkrok is a firehydrant who simply benefitted from who he played with. I believe McDonald was traded that summer and scored 21 goals(or there abouts for those so stuck on minutia) on the Nucks.
A 25 year old Jarnkrok might have had something to offer TO above the 4th line, a 30 or older Jarnkrok doesn't. TO's other firehydrants last year Simmonds, Kampf, Aston-Reese, Kerfoot, Lafferty, Brodie and Schenn. I would include Rielly in this group because he never lived up to his salary until the first round of the playoffs but in the 2nd round his play quality returned to his regular season level. Schenn might have some value but only on a 3rd pairing d unit with a partner like Gustafson or Timmins, players who can handle the puck since he can't, I actually doubt my own cred in saying this. I really don't want him back on TO, I get influenced by the mindless media.
dappleganger
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Jarnkrok would have scored 45 on Gretzky's wing.
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I would have scored 45 on Weiners wingDappleganger said:
People like to point to Wash. as an example of what might happen if the core is kept intact, of course that's only possible in the next 2 years unless JT resigns for a considerable discount.
We can also look at Florida, the best regular season record in the NHL 2 years ago but playoff success didn't follow. Florida could've did the waiting game like TO or they could make the franchise changing change and get the results we saw this year. It seems they recognized the limitations of their team and decided to change the core, I think TO needs to smell those roses.
Nylander, M & M are due to renegotiate their contracts, I doubt they will accept the same amount of money so we can expect to see considerable increases, Wash. locked up Ovie for 13 years, our Ovie's don't even want to be committed for longer than 5/6 years. I don't blame them but the money they command will always cripple the Leafs.
We're even hearing that Matthews only wants to sign for 3 years because of even greater paydays in the near future.
I think our core does have a possible Cup in the future but it's extremely unlikely if those 3 and Rielly instead of JT continue to get 1/2 of TO's Cap dollars or an even greater percentage.
We can also look at Florida, the best regular season record in the NHL 2 years ago but playoff success didn't follow. Florida could've did the waiting game like TO or they could make the franchise changing change and get the results we saw this year. It seems they recognized the limitations of their team and decided to change the core, I think TO needs to smell those roses.
Nylander, M & M are due to renegotiate their contracts, I doubt they will accept the same amount of money so we can expect to see considerable increases, Wash. locked up Ovie for 13 years, our Ovie's don't even want to be committed for longer than 5/6 years. I don't blame them but the money they command will always cripple the Leafs.
We're even hearing that Matthews only wants to sign for 3 years because of even greater paydays in the near future.
I think our core does have a possible Cup in the future but it's extremely unlikely if those 3 and Rielly instead of JT continue to get 1/2 of TO's Cap dollars or an even greater percentage.