The Defensive Logjam

[McGarnagle]

How are hunwick and polak vs other teams' worst pairings? Is that a more relevant discussion?

 

[herman]

How are hunwick and polak vs other teams' worst pairings? Is that a more relevant discussion?

Per Game Score depth charts, that Coco-Puff linked to in the Panthers GDT, you can get a good comparison with the 5/6 D that teams are currently deploying, measured with the same, while still developing, stick.

Here is Toronto's bottom pairing compared to the top 5 teams in CA60adj, which are theoretically the good defensive teams:

Team		LD		GS		RD		GS		Total
TML		Hunwick		0.18		Polak		0.13		0.31
LAK		Gravel		0.22		Greene		0.14		0.36
STL		Gunnarsson		0.12		Parayko		0.69		0.81
BOS		K. Miller		0.24		C. Miller		0.41		0.65
WSH		Orpik		0.22		Schmidt		0.27		0.49
FLA		Demers		0.49		Kindl		0.26		0.75

This is not a complete comparison. If I had more time, I would take into account ATOI as a percentage of the team's, and the pairing's total Game Score as a percentage of the team's total, and see if a pattern arises. Defense (as defined in CA) is really a total team measure though. Quantifying a defenseman's value probably has to dig into forced missed shots vs shot attempts

Interesting to note is St. Louis' defense. All really strong on the right side, and very much weaker on the left.

 

[herman]

https://jenlc13.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/the-vicious-cycle-of-conservative-defensive-structure/

This is a great post about defense systems by someone I stumbled upon googling about micro-stats.

The Vicious Cycle of Conservative Defensive Structure

Building fail safes into the defensive zone system turns what is often viewed as a reckless abandoning of defensive position to make a play for the puck into a systematic approach to puck recovery and helps avoid players being caught drastically out of position. When this systematic approach is not used, teams often start to think they need to tighten up their defensive zone coverage because these reckless plays are resulting in players being caught out of position and the attacking team taking advantage of that to get a better shot on net. This essentially creates a vicious cycle of more and more conservative play in the defensive zone.

 

[ZBBM]

I just want to remark that the title of this thread is misleading.  A "logjam" implies that we have too many good options on defense and that something needs to give so that everything starts "flowing" again.  We don't have a logjam.  I wish we did.

 

[herman]

I just want to remark that the title of this thread is misleading.  A "logjam" implies that we have too many good options on defense and that something needs to give so that everything starts "flowing" again.  We don't have a logjam.  I wish we did.

See page 2, response 27

 

[ZBBM]

I just want to remark that the title of this thread is misleading.  A "logjam" implies that we have too many good options on defense and that something needs to give so that everything starts "flowing" again.  We don't have a logjam.  I wish we did.

See page 2, response 27

No.  "Logjam" is never used to refer to a deficiency.  And our defense is deficient, right now.  Sickbeast was right.  But it's hardly worth arguing about.

 

[sickbeast]

I just want to remark that the title of this thread is misleading.  A "logjam" implies that we have too many good options on defense and that something needs to give so that everything starts "flowing" again.  We don't have a logjam.  I wish we did.

See page 2, response 27

No.  "Logjam" is never used to refer to a deficiency.  And our defense is deficient, right now.  Sickbeast was right.  But it's hardly worth arguing about.

Yes.  We both agree.  Defense is the real main need of the Leafs' team right now.  However the OP does not appear to be concerned with semantics or the proper use of the English language.

 

[McGarnagle]

I'll bet Herman has a logjam of expletives at the ready. But only the good kind of expletives, of course, or else they apparently couldn't be at a logjam. 

 

[sickbeast]

I'll bet Herman has a logjam of expletives at the ready. But only the good kind of expletives, of course, or else they apparently couldn't be at a logjam.

Don't worry, I'm cool with Herman.  I'm just joking around with you guys anyways.

 

[louisstamos]

I'll bet Herman has a logjam of expletives at the ready. But only the good kind of expletives, of course, or else they apparently couldn't be at a logjam.

Are there any bad expletives?

 

[herman]

In the defense of an argument, or as it is in this case, the definition of a word, I've found expletives to be about as useful as hits when playing in the defensive zone: loud, showy, but weakens the overall strength of position.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, I'm with everyone else. Logs would make terrible jam.

 

[ZBBM]

Years ago I used to have a job at a recording studio outside LA where I had to keep track of session times for billing.  Whenever we booked a jazz group, we called the paperwork "jamlogs."

 

[princedpw]

I found this article rather interesting:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-four-nhl-defencemen-easier-acquire-think/

A lot of #2, #3 and #4 defenseman are acquired via trade or free agency.

It would be nice if the leafs could jump on the right trade option. 

 

[sickbeast]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

sickbeast is not using

memes correctly.

 

[freer]

via Imgflip Meme Generator

sickbeast is not using

memes correctly.

Well I am quite glad that "Mr Herman" is tutoring others. Mr Herman I miss our classes. LOL

We still don't have a defensive logjam.

 

[herman]

Were you in one of my classes?

 

[freer]

Just here online

 

[herman]

I thought you might have been one of my grade niners but I see now that would've made no sense with our respective ages.