The Leafs Management vs NHL

[herman]

Check out this thread about the side of Lou he'll never show the media:
www.twitter.com/APetrielli/status/856668494452195329

 

[Highlander]

Wow gives me a completly new perspective on Lou. Quite the man

 

[sickbeast]

Check out this thread about the side of Lou he'll never show the media:
www.twitter.com/APetrielli/status/856668494452195329

Wow.  Thanks for sharing that.

 

[herman]

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/05/03/the-2017-nhl-gm-report-card-part-2/

Rating Criteria: https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/05/02/the-2017-nhl-gm-report-card-part-1/

Audio rundown: https://hockeypdocast.com/2017/05/30/ep-171-gm-rankings-front-office-hierarchy-and-parity/

Lou actually got docked a handful of points for the Zaitsev deal that was announced just as they were putting the finishing touches on this piece.

Also, looking at Detroit's cap situation, I'm thinking Mike Babcock is a terrible, terrible GM.

 

[herman]

https://theathletic.com/263573/2018/03/07/mirtle-will-kyle-dubas-be-the-next-gm-of-the-maple-leafs-and-should-he/

RAMPANT. SPECULATION. is my jam.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Dubas' first week or month on the job during the offseason would be fascinating.

 

[herman]

Dubas' first week or month on the job during the offseason would be fascinating.

Even if he goes somewhere else, I'd be very interested to see how he went about running a team. I really like what he has done with the Marlies (who weren't in bad shape when he took over), and I really like how he handled the 2015 draft.

But I'm really hoping he gets to do it here.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Dubas' first week or month on the job during the offseason would be fascinating.

Even if he goes somewhere else, I'd be very interested to see how he went about running a team. I really like what he has done with the Marlies (who weren't in bad shape when he took over), and I really like how he handled the 2015 draft.

But I'm really hoping he gets to do it here.

Seems like to me that's been the plan all along.  With Shanahan refusing Colorado permission to talk to Dubas pointing to it. 

At least I really really really hope so. 

 

[ZBBM]

When, exactly, does Lamoriello's contract end?  Would Dubas in fact by in charge of the draft, UFAs?

 

[herman]

When, exactly, does Lamoriello's contract end?  Would Dubas in fact by in charge of the draft, UFAs?

If management contracts are like coaches and player contracts, they expire June 30th (i.e. the day before UFA kicks off, a week after the draft).

If all the changes are internal, and money not really being an issue, things don't really need to follow that date exactly before Dubas/Hunter receives authorization to do whatever.

 

[ZBBM]

When, exactly, does Lamoriello's contract end?  Would Dubas in fact by in charge of the draft, UFAs?

If management contracts are like coaches and player contracts, they expire June 30th (i.e. the day before UFA kicks off, a week after the draft).

If all the changes are internal, and money not really being an issue, things don't really need to follow that date exactly before Dubas/Hunter receives authorization to do whatever.

Thanks.  Yes, I guess it doesn't really matter if they have tapped his successor already.

 

[L K]

Dubas' first week or month on the job during the offseason would be fascinating.

Even if he goes somewhere else, I'd be very interested to see how he went about running a team. I really like what he has done with the Marlies (who weren't in bad shape when he took over), and I really like how he handled the 2015 draft.

But I'm really hoping he gets to do it here.

Seems like to me that's been the plan all along.  With Shanahan refusing Colorado permission to talk to Dubas pointing to it. 

At least I really really really hope so.

Shanahan didn't refuse permission.  Dubas declined to talk with them.

 

[herman]

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/3/7/17084810/the-complete-reign-of-lou-lamoriello-so-far-toronto-maple-leafs-gm-trades-drafts-signings

Lou's work with the Leafs so far, PPP-rundown style.

 

[herman]

Shanahan didn't refuse permission.  Dubas declined to talk with them.

It's hard to track all the he said, team said, but nowhere did I read that Dubas declined to talk to Colorado. He declined to interview with Arizona when they reached out earlier.

All signs on the Toronto side and Colorado side pointed to Shanahan being the kibosher of Dubas becoming the hockey operations guy with the Avs.

 

[L K]

Shanahan didn't refuse permission.  Dubas declined to talk with them.

It's hard to track all the he said, team said, but nowhere did I read that Dubas declined to talk to Colorado. He declined to interview with Arizona when they reached out earlier.

All signs on the Toronto side and Colorado side pointed to Shanahan being the kibosher of Dubas becoming the hockey operations guy with the Avs.

Ah, must have confused the two.  I knew he declined to interview with someone, must have been the Arizona one.  Although I do wonder if the reason Shanahan declined to let him interview with Colorado was that they had already made the decision to promote him?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Although I do wonder if the reason Shanahan declined to let him interview with Colorado was that they had already made the decision to promote him?

At one point Dreger reported that when the Leafs initially gave Colorado permission to talk to Dubas, it wasn't thought to be for a job interview. It was apparently just so they could swap ideas and talk analytics and such. And then the Leafs revoked their permission once a job offer was made. Or something like that. So I wonder if Shanny was just doing his buddy Sakic a favour initially to let Colorado pick Kyle's brain... Colorado was then super impressed with how Dubas handled himself... and then they decided to try to poach him.

 

[herman]

Shanahan didn't refuse permission.  Dubas declined to talk with them.

It's hard to track all the he said, team said, but nowhere did I read that Dubas declined to talk to Colorado. He declined to interview with Arizona when they reached out earlier.

All signs on the Toronto side and Colorado side pointed to Shanahan being the kibosher of Dubas becoming the hockey operations guy with the Avs.

Ah, must have confused the two.  I knew he declined to interview with someone, must have been the Arizona one.  Although I do wonder if the reason Shanahan declined to let him interview with Colorado was that they had already made the decision to promote him?

Honestly, I also completely forgot about Arizona until I tried to look up where Dubas declined Colorado and came up with the reference.

I lean towards Carlton's read on this. Also that the reporting was well after the fact.

 

[disco]

It's maintenance for KD. Continue to draft, add shrewdly, don't do anything stupid. With Lou's advice and rolodex the kid should be able to handle it.

 

[herman]

https://theathletic.com/270619/2018/03/12/custance-the-top-10-assistant-gms-ready-for-a-promotion/

5. Kyle Dubas, Maple Leafs ? This could be a moot point. Dubas, as Mirtle wrote earlier this month, looks like the front-runner to replace Lou Lamoriello as GM of the Maple Leafs. He also got a long look from Colorado. Dubas got a lot of attention as a young hire in Toronto, something that rubbed some people in the game the wrong way since it was interpreted somehow as self-promotion. Also, people in hockey tend not to like anyone who receives attention before they?re viewed as deserving it. Since his hiring, Dubas has quietly earned any promotion he?s got coming his way, and those who know him argue that what truly drives Dubas is being around people he respects with a common goal and passion that he believes in. ?That?s a big driver for him,? said Kyle Raftis, who replaced Dubas as GM in Sault Ste. Marie. ?It?s not about where he?s going and his eyes on the future. It?s in the moment.? And in the moment, he?s learning a lot from guys like Lamoriello and Mike Babcock. ?I think he really does cherish his relationship with Lou,? Raftis said. ?Anytime I?ve talked to him, he?s embraced talking about Lou and enjoys that relationship.?

 

[Kin]

There goes my dream of relaxed facial hair standards.