The Official Complaint Thread!
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bustaheims
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Manson said:leafsjunkie said:
All depends what you're looking for I suppose. The 1/4 mile speed of my Rav 4 really didn't come into the equation for me.
Yup. Living in a part of the world where going significantly faster than 100 km/h can get you into a lot of unnecessary trouble and, generally, there aren't a lot of day to day opportunities to go significantly north of 60 km/h, things like fuel efficiency and reliability become so much more important than speed. I'm quite happy with my Toyota, thank you very much. 15 years old and still running strong.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Bullfrog said:
2012 Mustang GT $37K MSRP
Horsepower (hp @ rpm) 412 @ 6,500
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 390 @ 4,250
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @110.6
dappleganger
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CRO said:
Go around a corner and tell me how fast a Mustang GT goes. Are they still using a live rear axle on those things?
Frank E
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dm_for_pm said:
You really need to check into how well Ford has engineered that platform. It's quite amazing. They're now building a 200mph Mustang off that platform.
Having said that, the 2015 car is supposed to, for the first time, have an independent rear suspension.
I get sucked into these car conversations....and Toyota is awesome...read up on the Scion FR-S.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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dm_for_pm said:
Skidpad
2012 Mustang GT - Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.94 g
2011 Impreza WRX STI Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.90 g
leafsjunkie
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I have no interest in the 1/4 mile. Boring.
I've modded my car a little. Cobb sri, Cobb springs, Koni yellows, Tri-Point rear sway bar, vip rg2 rims, Falken 452's / 235-40-18 tires. Handles like its on Rails. My Ms3 will outperform vehicles that are way more expensive. I pay $350 a month... Probably the same as most people pay for a boring car that can't pass at highway speeds.
To each their own
I've modded my car a little. Cobb sri, Cobb springs, Koni yellows, Tri-Point rear sway bar, vip rg2 rims, Falken 452's / 235-40-18 tires. Handles like its on Rails. My Ms3 will outperform vehicles that are way more expensive. I pay $350 a month... Probably the same as most people pay for a boring car that can't pass at highway speeds.
To each their own
leafsjunkie
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CRO said:
I had to go check that out, because there is no way you are walking out of a dealership with that for under 40k...
Ok... Again, bang for the buck. With 0 down and 5.79% interest rate (lol), for 60 months, $722 a month for the stang and I'm sure there are things that the website doesn't show in respect to more money it will cost.
I put down $8500 on my car (almost 5 yrs ago, before car manufacturers hit a low and are offering all these incentives!), I'm paying $352/month. That stang would be about $550/month (roughly, with 8500 down, not including any othe fees not shown on the site) and that's base model. My MS3 is fully loaded. The stang has 390ft lbs of torque @ 4250rpm, only 90 more then my car which produces it at 3000rpm, the stang also weighs a little more then the ms3.
On the track (road track, not 1/4 mile), bang for the buck (hp/tq to $$), resale value, cargo space etc.... ms3 every day (imho).
leafsjunkie
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Bullfrog said:
Again, go to the dealer and try and get that price, by the time u add the freight, pdi, taxes, interest rate etc.... they are 50k cars, trust me, I know, I almost bought both.
The evo is my fav, then STi. One day.... One day...
maplesyrup
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Oh yeah? I challenge anybody to either an empty milk/juice box or floor (french) fry competition.
Andy007
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leafsjunkie said:Andy007 said:Rick said:
I've had some frustrating ongoing problems with a Mazda (Tribute) I bought a few years back myself, starting the same year I got it (2009).
Things like Dome light issues, windshield wiper malfunctions, engine not turning on, brake pedal gyrations; pretty much a cornucopia of neverending problems.
In short; Mazda is awful.
From the sounds of it, you guys both bought used vehicles, who knows what the owner before you did to those vehicles, if they were maintaned well etc... Any used car can have problems, especially once the warranty is up. That's the chance you take with buying used, one reason I only buy new vehicles.
Nope got it brand spanking new from the factory. Have had continuous problems since inception, all the way through and past warranty.
leafsjunkie
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Andy007 said:leafsjunkie said:Andy007 said:Rick said:
I've had some frustrating ongoing problems with a Mazda (Tribute) I bought a few years back myself, starting the same year I got it (2009).
Things like Dome light issues, windshield wiper malfunctions, engine not turning on, brake pedal gyrations; pretty much a cornucopia of neverending problems.
In short; Mazda is awful.
From the sounds of it, you guys both bought used vehicles, who knows what the owner before you did to those vehicles, if they were maintaned well etc... Any used car can have problems, especially once the warranty is up. That's the chance you take with buying used, one reason I only buy new vehicles.
Nope got it brand spanking new from the factory. Have had continuous problems since inception, all the way through and past warranty.
Huh, maybe just a lemon? Have they at least covered all the problem under warranty?
leafsjunkie
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AvroArrow said:
I owned a civic Si for 10 years before my ms3, I think you would agree a Civic Si is faster and has more power than a corolla.... I would have to gear down to 4th and rev the crap out of it to pass people with any kind of gusto, in 5th gear at 120km/hr you can't just push the gas and get to a reasonable speed to pass unless you want to pass very slowly. Those vehicles typically have around 120hp @ 6000rpm or greater. My GF has a accent sport with 110hp, which I would imagine is close to a corolla's power and no, you can't pass safely or quickly at highway speeds, it takes 10 seconds to hammer the gas and get the momentum going.
My vehicle, 6 speed manual. I hit the gas and your head hits the head rest, it also gets great gas milage. I get 400 - 600km per tank of gas, depending on highway/city driving and the amount of time I spend in turbo boost (my vehicle has guages that keep track of how many litres/km and my vehicles avg is 9.6L/100km since I got it). I driven from Markham to Montreal in the past and still didn't use my whole tank.
So to have 275hp, 300ft lbs tq, good gas milage, cheap Insurance (only pay just over $100/month), lots of cargo space, good resale value and pay a little more then your basic vehicle and a lot less than STi or Evo (which are alot worse on gas and Insurance cost) and have that kind of performance, I dunno, seems like a win/win to me. I know for a fact that cars like a stang or EVO or STi, from a dig will beat my vehicle in the 1/4 mile, but on a road track or from a rolling start, the MS3 catches and passes those vehicles. I've seen it. Both the EVO and STi are 5 speeds, not 6 speed, they don't have the top end.
Again, to each their own, but personally I could never own a Toyota or Honda (again). Not enough power. And Toyota is not that cheap, by the time you get a corolla nicely equipped I bet you are in the lower to mid twenties at least, even more if you want the 's' package. I got my car for $24,900 (yes I got an awesome deal) and will run cicles around the 's', not even a challenge.