Trade deadline moves

[cabber24]

My Post from July:

Trade deadline D possibilities: Kronwall, Boumeester, Del Zotto, Edler, Lovejoy

Edler's actually a guy I'd be interested in assuming the price was right. Also if he's comfortable playing the right side, or if Babcock would be fine moving Rielly to the right side with him on the left. The rest are all hard passes because they aren't any good.

Problem is it sounds like Edler wants to stay and Vancouver doesn't want to move him.

Defensively some vet on an expiring contract has to be at least better than one of Zaitsev, Hainsey, Oz.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Honestly, I 'd rather do nothing than something at the deadline. The Bolts are way ahead of the rest of the league. But they've been through many more years like we are going through now. This isn't our year and I hope for the "you said this" posts. I'm more on the side of selling expiring contracts than trading assets.

I don't have a problem selling UFA contracts but you're only talking about Lindholm, Hainsey, Gardiner, Marincin, Hutch and Ennis. Only one going to bring something back is Gardiner and I don't suspect that return to be overwhelming.
We're not dumping our RFA's.
As for not our year???? I'm not conceding nothing to Tampa or anyone else. We don't know if it's OUR year. Nobody does because things happen, players get hurt, go into a slump. That's why they play the games.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Defensively some vet on an expiring contract has to be at least better than one of Zaitsev, Hainsey, Oz.

Hainsey down the lineup is ok. We need capable D man. Emphasis on D. No superstar, just someone who plays steady and does their job.

 

[Bates]

We are going to have issues signing Matthews and Marner. Kapanan is only going to complicate that. If Kapanan with Zaitsev could get us a top 4 RD with cost certainty I pull that trigger in a second. 

 

[ZBBM]

Honestly, I 'd rather do nothing than something at the deadline. The Bolts are way ahead of the rest of the league. But they've been through many more years like we are going through now. This isn't our year and I hope for the "you said this" posts. I'm more on the side of selling expiring contracts than trading assets.

I like your thinking.

 

[bustaheims]

Honestly, I 'd rather do nothing than something at the deadline. The Bolts are way ahead of the rest of the league. But they've been through many more years like we are going through now. This isn't our year and I hope for the "you said this" posts. I'm more on the side of selling expiring contracts than trading assets.

I'm not in favour of any big moves, but, moving a mid-round pick or a marginal prospect to get a guy that could help the team? I think you gotta make a move or two like that, because anything can happen in the playoffs. It's usually not the best regular season team that wins the Cup, it's one teams in the next tier, where the Leafs will be. It could very well be their year - I mean, it's not like they'll be sneaking into the playoffs in the final weekend of the season. No reason to give up before things really even get started.

 

[AtomicMapleLeaf]

Honestly, I 'd rather do nothing than something at the deadline. The Bolts are way ahead of the rest of the league. But they've been through many more years like we are going through now. This isn't our year and I hope for the "you said this" posts. I'm more on the side of selling expiring contracts than trading assets.

I'm not in favour of any big moves, but, moving a mid-round pick or a marginal prospect to get a guy that could help the team? I think you gotta make a move or two like that, because anything can happen in the playoffs. It's usually not the best regular season team that wins the Cup, it's one teams in the next tier, where the Leafs will be. It could very well be their year - I mean, it's not like they'll be sneaking into the playoffs in the final weekend of the season. No reason to give up before things really even get started.

I'm sure that the Bolts fans had a similar dialogue years ago. Of course we all believe in the Blackhawks, Kings, Pens model. Fuck it I think the other teams should try to emulate the Leafs model. Not sure if it's the right model, but it would be very cool having stupid hockey analysts glamorizing how Dubas made us great.

 

[gunnar36]

Trading Kapanen would be a move we would regret for years! Think Alex Steen x100  We have not seen his full upside yet.  This guy will be as valuable as any Leaf forward come playoff time.  Say what you want about fitting under the cap, the fact of the matter is that current Nhl is based on speed, and  I can't think of any player that can turn on the jets like him. He also has that physical element and strength that is lacking among our top 9 and he will be a tremendous asset in any playoff series.
Guys like Nylander (once he starts playing better) Brown, Johnnson and Lilegren I would dangle as any potential trade bait, but not willing to lose Kappi.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Save Kappy! Save Kappy!
Agree, he stats.

 

[Bates]

Trading Kapanen would be a move we would regret for years! Think Alex Steen x100  We have not seen his full upside yet.  This guy will be as valuable as any Leaf forward come playoff time.  Say what you want about fitting under the cap, the fact of the matter is that current Nhl is based on speed, and  I can't think of any player that can turn on the jets like him. He also has that physical element and strength that is lacking among our top 9 and he will be a tremendous asset in any playoff series.
Guys like Nylander (once he starts playing better) Brown, Johnnson and Lilegren I would dangle as any potential trade bait, but not willing to lose Kappi.

Who would you suggest go when It's time to pay him?

 

[Zee]

Trading Kapanen would be a move we would regret for years! Think Alex Steen x100  We have not seen his full upside yet.  This guy will be as valuable as any Leaf forward come playoff time.  Say what you want about fitting under the cap, the fact of the matter is that current Nhl is based on speed, and  I can't think of any player that can turn on the jets like him. He also has that physical element and strength that is lacking among our top 9 and he will be a tremendous asset in any playoff series.
Guys like Nylander (once he starts playing better) Brown, Johnnson and Lilegren I would dangle as any potential trade bait, but not willing to lose Kappi.

Who would you suggest go when It's time to pay him?

Connor Brown makes $2.1M, replace Brown with a league minimum salary guy like Trevor Moore and use the extra cash towards a Kapanen contract. Worth noting that Kapanen doesn't have RFA rights so he's not going to hit a home run deal yet.

 

[Bullfrog]

He doesn't have arbitration rights, I think you mean. He will be an RFA after this season and can sign with any team.

 

[Zee]

He doesn't have arbitration rights, I think you mean. He will be an RFA after this season and can sign with any team.

Yeah that's what I meant.  In any event short of an offer sheet for big money I don't see the Leafs not being able to fit Kapanen in since his number won't be that high.  This is his first real breakout season. 

 

[Bates]

Trading Kapanen would be a move we would regret for years! Think Alex Steen x100  We have not seen his full upside yet.  This guy will be as valuable as any Leaf forward come playoff time.  Say what you want about fitting under the cap, the fact of the matter is that current Nhl is based on speed, and  I can't think of any player that can turn on the jets like him. He also has that physical element and strength that is lacking among our top 9 and he will be a tremendous asset in any playoff series.
Guys like Nylander (once he starts playing better) Brown, Johnnson and Lilegren I would dangle as any potential trade bait, but not willing to lose Kappi.

Who would you suggest go when It's time to pay him?

Connor Brown makes $2.1M, replace Brown with a league minimum salary guy like Trevor Moore and use the extra cash towards a Kapanen contract. Worth noting that Kapanen doesn't have RFA rights so he's not going to hit a home run deal yet.

Neither did Nylander and he bent Dubas over. I don't see Kapanen signing for Brown money.

 

[Zee]

Trading Kapanen would be a move we would regret for years! Think Alex Steen x100  We have not seen his full upside yet.  This guy will be as valuable as any Leaf forward come playoff time.  Say what you want about fitting under the cap, the fact of the matter is that current Nhl is based on speed, and  I can't think of any player that can turn on the jets like him. He also has that physical element and strength that is lacking among our top 9 and he will be a tremendous asset in any playoff series.
Guys like Nylander (once he starts playing better) Brown, Johnnson and Lilegren I would dangle as any potential trade bait, but not willing to lose Kappi.

Who would you suggest go when It's time to pay him?

Connor Brown makes $2.1M, replace Brown with a league minimum salary guy like Trevor Moore and use the extra cash towards a Kapanen contract. Worth noting that Kapanen doesn't have RFA rights so he's not going to hit a home run deal yet.

Neither did Nylander and he bent Dubas over. I don't see Kapanen signing for Brown money.

What are you talking about?  Nylander getting $6.9M isn't bending Dubas over, it's right in line with market value for him.  Nylander also had two 61 point seasons under his belt and 135 points in 185 games.

Kapanen has 39 points in 109 games.

I'm not saying he's getting Connor Brown money, but there are UFAs leaving that will open up cap space, and Marleau's contract of $6.25M is off the books after next season.  Worst comes to worst with Kapanen you can bridge deal him for 2-3 years to get by the cap crunch of next season.

 

[herman]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'd be surprised if Kapanen got much more than $3-3.5mil on a 2-3 year deal. Even that's pushing it. Dubas will use the cap crunch to his advantage in these negotiations.

He's 22 years old and on pace for 51 points this season, and I'm guessing he finishes in the mid-40s somewhere. These are some comparables that I've found:

Conor Sheary: 3 years, $3mil AAV after scoring 53 points in 61 games
Ondrej Kase: 3 years, $2.6mil AAV after scoring 38 points in 66 games
Anthony Mantha: 2 years, $3.3mil AAV after scoring 48 points in 80 games
Max Domi: 2 years, $3.125mil AAV after scoring 45 points in 82 games

 

[Bates]

Trading Kapanen would be a move we would regret for years! Think Alex Steen x100  We have not seen his full upside yet.  This guy will be as valuable as any Leaf forward come playoff time.  Say what you want about fitting under the cap, the fact of the matter is that current Nhl is based on speed, and  I can't think of any player that can turn on the jets like him. He also has that physical element and strength that is lacking among our top 9 and he will be a tremendous asset in any playoff series.
Guys like Nylander (once he starts playing better) Brown, Johnnson and Lilegren I would dangle as any potential trade bait, but not willing to lose Kappi.

Who would you suggest go when It's time to pay him?

Connor Brown makes $2.1M, replace Brown with a league minimum salary guy like Trevor Moore and use the extra cash towards a Kapanen contract. Worth noting that Kapanen doesn't have RFA rights so he's not going to hit a home run deal yet.

Neither did Nylander and he bent Dubas over. I don't see Kapanen signing for Brown money.

What are you talking about?  Nylander getting $6.9M isn't bending Dubas over, it's right in line with market value for him.  Nylander also had two 61 point seasons under his belt and 135 points in 185 games.

Kapanen has 39 points in 109 games.

I'm not saying he's getting Connor Brown money, but there are UFAs leaving that will open up cap space, and Marleau's contract of $6.25M is off the books after next season.  Worst comes to worst with Kapanen you can bridge deal him for 2-3 years to get by the cap crunch of next season.

You don't get to just give him the deal you want, that's what Nylander showed us. Kapanan will probably be coming off a 50 pt season and I doubt he accepts less than a 3 as first number. Combine that with M&M and it kind a looks like we will need 8 or 9 players for well under $10 million, that's not good for the team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

 

[Zee]

More than likely, Kapanen will simply accept his qualifying offer and gain some leverage for the next season with Marleau off the books and arbitration rights in his corner (a la Johnsson).

His qualifying offer would only be $875k. I doubt he goes that route, even without having very many options.

For all the talk about offer sheets potentially being offered to Matthews and Marner, I'd argue that Kapanen is probably the best target for a team looking to give one. If a team offered Kapanen $4mil the Leafs would only get a 2nd round pick back in compensation if they didn't match.

Yep, hopefully he'll take a short term bridge deal to get past next season.  2 year deal something like $6.5M total, so in the $3.25 range per season.  Then if he proves he's a top 6 guy you can pay him more in year 3+ when the cap is higher and other decisions have to be made at forward, i.e. Kadri.