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Trade Deadline

CarltonTheBear said:
I'm not sure that is true because like I said the Leafs aren't actually banking any extra cap space right now. And you can't really make any trades hoping that Bolland is going to be out long enough to stay cap compliant.
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I'm just saying there are ways they could have make it work.
 
bustaheims said:
I'm just saying there are ways they could have make it work.
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And I'm just saying there actually weren't ;)

(unless the team knew Bolland was done for the year, or moved Kulemin/Franson/McClement)
 
Potvin29 said:
‏@Tony_Ambrogio
Nonis: "I had some people call on our goalies earlier in the week and I told them I have no interest in moving any of them right now. "
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Glad Reimer and Bernier are staying,  We need them in tip-top form in the quest for the playoffs.
 
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Sudafederov said:
So basically Garth Snow traded:

Matt Moulson
2014 1st round pick
2015 2nd round pick

for

Conditional 2nd round pick
Sebastien Collberg
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I feel bad for their fans.
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Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.
 
I'm quite glad the Leafs stood by and let the troops fall on their collectively bargained sword. The only thing missing is some talent coming down the pike or this whole 'stretch the cap to get the youngin's ready' notion would be gold Jerry, or butler, gold... but there they are, caught in no man's land, again.
 
Tigger said:
I'm quite glad the Leafs stood by and let the troops fall on their collectively bargained sword. The only thing missing is some talent coming down the pike or this whole 'stretch the cap to get the youngin's ready' notion would be gold Jerry, or butler, gold... but there they are, caught in no man's land, again.
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It's disappointing that a team with so many holes is right up to the Cap while most other teams that are similar or stronger can add the likes of St. Louis, Vanek etc.

I think this team is a lot worse off than many would like to think it is.
 
Rebel_1812 said:
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Sudafederov said:
So basically Garth Snow traded:

Matt Moulson
2014 1st round pick
2015 2nd round pick

for

Conditional 2nd round pick
Sebastien Collberg
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I feel bad for their fans.
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Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.
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While the breakdown of the trade is true, it really is retrospective analysis at its best.  At the time of the Vanek deal, the Islanders looked like a good, young team who were capable of producing wins.  Acquiring Vanek would help take some heat off of Tavares, provide some secondary scoring and act as a veteran presence in a young dressing room.  I don't think Snow could have predicted things would have gone off the rails as badly as they have, or maybe he was simply prepared to live with the risk.

So looking at the deal now, yeah, sure, it looks awful.  And I'm not suggesting Garth Snow is a great GM.  But looking at the deals without a bit of context is unfair.
 
Potvin29 said:
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.
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I know a few Isles fans were happy with some aspects with the Vanek trade, but were also questioning why it even took place when they had much more pressing needs, such as needing to upgrade the defense and goaltending.

But I'll admit I liked the idea of the trade when it came out. In theory it made sense because, worst case scenario, they could just as easily trade Vanek again at the deadline to re-coup most of their losses. But that blew up in their faces.
 
Potvin29 said:
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.
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Well, sure, but he should have known his goaltending was bad since he arrived, too.  We'll agree he misjudged that, but the trade still looked better in the fall than it does today.
 
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
While the breakdown of the trade is true, it really is retrospective analysis at its best.  At the time of the Vanek deal, the Islanders looked like a good, young team who were capable of producing wins.  Acquiring Vanek would help take some heat off of Tavares, provide some secondary scoring and act as a veteran presence in a young dressing room.  I don't think Snow could have predicted things would have gone off the rails as badly as they have, or maybe he was simply prepared to live with the risk.

So looking at the deal now, yeah, sure, it looks awful.  And I'm not suggesting Garth Snow is a great GM.  But looking at the deals without a bit of context is unfair.
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More to that point, and I made this argument in the Vanek to NYI thread when it happened, at some point Garth Snow had to try and land someone of Vanek's stature and the simple reality is that guys weren't coming there as free agents. Giving up what he did to Buffalo in terms of picks obviously stings but I think that a lot of the criticism of that deal from these parts reveals the world of a Leafs fan. We can't fathom making a risky trade like this because we see free agency as a viable alternative to adding high priced veterans. For Snow, who's got problems with attracting free agents that have nothing to do with him or how he's run the team, he really doesn't have a lot of options in terms of adding the sort of linemate that would really compliment Tavares. So you add Vanek and hope you can convince him to re-sign. If he doesn't, well, you move him at the deadline.

And what did the whole thing ultimately end up costing the Islanders? Well, if they'd just kept Moulson they'd have their first and second round picks but wouldn't have the picks from Montreal or Collberg. If they'd kept Moulson but dealt him they'd probably have gotten a similar return to what the Sabres got for him. So these are the three possible options for the Islanders

Option A: A full season of Matt Moulson, all of their picks

Option B: 45 games of Matt Moulson, 2 extra second rounders

Option C: 45 games from Thomas Vanek, no first round pick(with top 10 protection for this year) or second but an added second and fifth from Montreal if they make the playoffs and a prospect who was drafted just outside the first round two years ago.

So while I suppose I understand some people thinking that Option B is the way to go, I think the reality is that Options C and A end up being pretty similar in the long run and even the two extra picks are pretty unimportant to a team that's made a ton of 1st and 2nd round draft picks over the last few years. Unless you put absolutely no value on having Vanek on the team for half a season, it's tough to bury them on this one.
 
Mt. Kushmore said:
Potvin29 said:
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.
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I know a few Isles fans were happy with some aspects with the Vanek trade, but were also questioning why it even took place when they had much more pressing needs, such as needing to upgrade the defense and goaltending.

But I'll admit I liked the idea of the trade when it came out. In theory it made sense because, worst case scenario, they could just as easily trade Vanek again at the deadline to re-coup most of their losses. But that blew up in their faces.
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The Islanders have yet to upgrade their netminding after all these years.  Sure they had DiPietro but we also know how that turned out. 

By upgrade, I allude to some of the goaltenders in their system, the up and comers.  Even if they have them, in fact some are backing up Nabokov (such as Kevin Poulin & Anders Nillson), goalkeeping is still not an Islander strongpoint.

Here is a chart showing all the Islanders netminder from past to present along with statistics:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NYI/goalies.html
 
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