Trade Deadline

[herman]

It?s a very very deep draft too. I would be very loathe to part with our first and would much rather try to pick up another.

 

[Kaberle15]

It?s a very very deep draft too. I would be very loathe to part with our first and would much rather try to pick up another.

I would add a bottom 3 protected choice in the 2nd 1st rounder just in case, don't need the arrogant Burke approach... but I would do it in a heart beat, Karlsson would elevate this from almost contenders to one of the favorites to win the cup.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

It's not the worst offer, especially if Ottawa turns JVR into a 1st or more.

I just don't think with the team drowning and looking to get a new building, they'll trade their best player to their biggest rival.

Melnyk seems very upset that the Leafs regularly embarrass them by selling out their arena and turning games in Ottawa into home games for Toronto.

There are rumors out there that Carolina and Detroit could make a deal for Justin Faulk and AA.

If I was the Leafs GM I'd be all over that trying to outbid Detroit. Faulk isn't having an amazing year, but he's still a top-four caliber right shot dman.

 

[Kaberle15]

Since Ottawa is the other home town for the Leafs...  :

Also, we traded or Captain for basically nothing, we are talking about 3 Garantees Picks + a potential asset that could land another 2 high picks... for a rebuilding team on a Budget...

Falk is not a bad idea also or Green.. if the price is right and Karlsson isn't avaliable...

 

[Kin]

Yeah, like WIGWAL says there's just no way the sense would trade Karlsson here.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I just don't think with the team drowning and looking to get a new building, they'll trade their best player to their biggest rival.

Melnyk seems very upset that the Leafs regularly embarrass them by selling out their arena and turning games in Ottawa into home games for Toronto.

Melnyk would send Karlsson somewhere else for free before even considering trading him here for a fair offer.

 

[herman]

Just my read on the Leafs trade block likelihoods

JvR - not likely; high offer required
Bozak - not likely; high offer required
Komarov - 2nd rder and up
Polak - not likely; 1st rd pick not withstanding
Moore - open to a 4C swap, or better centre package
Martin - wait until off season, or to a contender that Martin likes
Leivo - gone for middle round pick(s)
Soshnikov - 2nd rder and up, unless Komarov goes

 

[herman]

Coming soon to a Leafs lineup:
Johnsson - Willy - Hyman

 

[L K]

Coming soon to a Leafs lineup:
Johnsson - Willy - Hyman

If Johnsson - Willy - Hyman is a line does that make your Matthews line Brown - Matthews - Kapanen?

 

[herman]

If Johnsson - Willy - Hyman is a line does that make your Matthews line Brown - Matthews - Kapanen?

JvR - Matthews - Kapanen sounds more fun, you joke ruiner, you.

 

[Zee]

If Johnsson - Willy - Hyman is a line does that make your Matthews line Brown - Matthews - Kapanen?

JvR - Matthews - Kapanen sounds more fun, you joke ruiner, you.

Just imagine when we have Tavares as second line center.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
JVR(or his replacement)-Tavares-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
<insert 4th line here>

 

[mr grieves]

It?s a very very deep draft too. I would be very loathe to part with our first and would much rather try to pick up another.

Deep draft... and a number of teams that would be buyers -- looking for more scoring, perhaps interested in a JvR -- have a forwards on Pronman's top 50 prospects list. Getting one of Kyrou (STL), Bean (CAR), Necas (CAR), Tolvanen (NSH), Kaprizov (MIN), etc. into the system might help replace JvR and Marleau in a few years...

 

[herman]

It?s a very very deep draft too. I would be very loathe to part with our first and would much rather try to pick up another.

Deep draft... and a number of teams that would be buyers -- looking for more scoring, perhaps interested in a JvR -- have a forwards on Pronman's top 50 prospects list. Getting one of Kyrou (STL), Bean (CAR), Necas (CAR), Tolvanen (NSH), Kaprizov (MIN), etc. into the system might help replace JvR and Marleau in a few years...

I like NSH and MIN as potential trade partners as they're always looking for high end scoring and generally have defensively reliable options.

JvR to NYI tickles me a bit too. Something like... JvR (retained salary) + Martin for one of their firsts or Ho-Sang/Bellows + eating Kulemin's contract (can we inflate our LTIR room?)

Edit: Snow said he won't be trading Tavares or his 2 1sts for rentals.
a) Unless it's Benning, no one believes what GMs say out loud to the press
b) NYI gets to turn a broken Kulemin into a scoring threat in JvR and gets back a fan favourite in Martin in a make or break season with their franchise centre for the price of a high pick or prospect

 

[herman]

For ad-hoc comparisons of players you want/hate

Pretty regular stats
http://ownthepuck.blogspot.ca (HERO/WARRIOR Charts)

Advanced Stats
https://twitter.com/billius27/status/961975700470210561

Passing/Entry Micro Stats
https://twitter.com/CJTDevil/status/958728221167628288

 

[herman]

Mirtle makes the case for selling in the Athletic:

[tweet]961632191062183936[/tweet]

Mirtle also makes the case for buying

https://theathletic.com/235821/2018/02/09/mirtle-why-the-maple-leafs-should-be-buyers-at-the-trade-deadline/

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Mirtle makes the case for selling in the Athletic:

[tweet]961632191062183936[/tweet]

Mirtle also makes the case for buying

https://theathletic.com/235821/2018/02/09/mirtle-why-the-maple-leafs-should-be-buyers-at-the-trade-deadline/

@67sound
@The Athletic I?d add a third option: sell and buy. Move out Komarov, Bozak, Polak, Martin, Sosh, hell even Hainsey or JVR. Then go all in for a McDonagh/OEL type and maybe someone like Plekanec. A bit like @JeffVeillette?s extremist approach.

@67sound
You?ll have to pay a bit in prospects/picks to make those upgrades and there are a lot of moving parts but you add by addition and subtraction.

 

[herman]

@67sound
@The Athletic I?d add a third option: sell and buy. Move out Komarov, Bozak, Polak, Martin, Sosh, hell even Hainsey or JVR. Then go all in for a McDonagh/OEL type and maybe someone like Plekanec. A bit like @JeffVeillette?s extremist approach.

@67sound
You?ll have to pay a bit in prospects/picks to make those upgrades and there are a lot of moving parts but you add by addition and subtraction.

That would be so fun

#CavsMode

 

[ZBBM]

@67sound
@The Athletic I?d add a third option: sell and buy. Move out Komarov, Bozak, Polak, Martin, Sosh, hell even Hainsey or JVR. Then go all in for a McDonagh/OEL type and maybe someone like Plekanec. A bit like @JeffVeillette?s extremist approach.

@67sound
You?ll have to pay a bit in prospects/picks to make those upgrades and there are a lot of moving parts but you add by addition and subtraction.

That would be so fun

#CavsMode

It would destroy the dressing room and probably thereby ruin any chances for playoff success this year, but it would be interesting in terms of pixel generation on this board and Across the Universe.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

@67sound
@The Athletic I?d add a third option: sell and buy. Move out Komarov, Bozak, Polak, Martin, Sosh, hell even Hainsey or JVR. Then go all in for a McDonagh/OEL type and maybe someone like Plekanec. A bit like @JeffVeillette?s extremist approach.

@67sound
You?ll have to pay a bit in prospects/picks to make those upgrades and there are a lot of moving parts but you add by addition and subtraction.

That would be so fun

#CavsMode

It would destroy the dressing room and probably thereby ruin any chances for playoff success this year, but it would be interesting in terms of pixel generation on this board and Across the Universe.

There would be an adjustment, but if you bring in real quality that makes the team more talented I think the room would adapt. Players love playing on a good team. The names suggested have been in the League long enough that playing a Babcock style would not be totally foreign to them, allowing them to have on ice success potentially quickly.

If you can move out all the expiring UFA's and fringe pieces and turn that return into one or two real impact players that would be pretty amazing. It's all wishful thinking, but fun nonetheless.

You could create a hole for a guy like Johnsson to step into, he's really ready.

Johnsson-Aaltonen-Kapanen was the best line in the AHL by a distance.

I feel like this could be an opportunity to do what Tampa did a few years ago and begin flooding the team with excelling AHL prospects.

 

[herman]

You could create a hole for a guy like Johnsson to step into, he's really ready.

Johnsson-Aaltonen-Kapanen was the best line in the AHL by a distance.

I feel like this could be an opportunity to do what Tampa did a few years ago and begin flooding the team with excelling AHL prospects.

This would be great. Tampa had the benefit of their AHL coach behind the NHL bench at that time, so the trust was already there and they got the leash to augment the core. Babcock claims to not know what the Marlies are like and wants them to break through the veteran stopgaps to earn the spots when those chances come up. I don't think we'll get to see the trade deadline roster gifts the way we saw in the Tank season anytime soon.