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Ukraine

Bill_Berg_is_sad said:
Also, a ban on Russian oil would cause a protest of people that have been inconvienced by higher gas prices.
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In the short term, absolutely. People do need to keep in mind that sanctions don't just hurt Russia or the Russian people. Enacting them is a conscious decision to put our ethics above our wallets. Certain things, things produced by Russia and Ukraine, are bound to be more expensive until this matter comes to a resolution.
 
Nik said:
Bill_Berg_is_sad said:
Also, a ban on Russian oil would cause a protest of people that have been inconvienced by higher gas prices.
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In the short term, absolutely. People do need to keep in mind that sanctions don't just hurt Russia or the Russian people. Enacting them is a conscious decision to put our ethics above our wallets. Certain things, things produced by Russia and Ukraine, are bound to be more expensive until this matter comes to a resolution.
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Dem truckers need gas. They'll be back in Ottawa in a week, costing Canada even more money. We're clearly not the country to say we don't have a minority willing to honk loudly when our government choses our ethics over our wallets.
 
Bill_Berg_is_sad said:
Dem truckers need gas. They'll be back in Ottawa in a week, costing Canada even more money. We're clearly not the country to say we don't have a minority willing to honk loudly when our government choses our ethics over our wallets.
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For what it's worth, I don't want to be dismissive of those concerns. Truth is a lot of people are feeling a financial pinch right now and it's bound to get worse. I empathize with people seeing the cost of filling their tanks going up and their grocery bills increasing and their rents being hiked. It's a tough time for a lot of people.

But there's another truth that for a long time we've been a society that basically looked the other way at a lot of awful stuff happening around the world, whether it be to people or animals or the environment, so long as it meant cheap food and consumer goods. It's not, and never has been, sustainable.

I don't want to change the subject here. We should be talking about the current invasion of Ukraine and what we can do to show our support to the Ukrainian people(and the Russians bravely protesting against the actions of their government) but I do hope that this creates more awareness and reflection on what that .92/L gas price actually meant and how we should think of it going forward.
 
Nic you have a well thought out post.
And I enjoyed the read . But I tend to agree more with Tristin Hopper of The National Post.
Forget the vodka , why isn't Canada banning Russian oil ? 
Long term short term we are too dependent on
Foreign oil , for no reason.
My thought and prayers are with the Ukraine
but what happens if it expands into one of the neighboring countries that are part of NATO
It will become a fight we will have to join .
 
Nik said:
Bill_Berg_is_sad said:
Dem truckers need gas. They'll be back in Ottawa in a week, costing Canada even more money. We're clearly not the country to say we don't have a minority willing to honk loudly when our government choses our ethics over our wallets.
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For what it's worth, I don't want to be dismissive of those concerns. Truth is a lot of people are feeling a financial pinch right now and it's bound to get worse. I empathize with people seeing the cost of filling their tanks going up and their grocery bills increasing and their rents being hiked. It's a tough time for a lot of people.

But there's another truth that for a long time we've been a society that basically looked the other way at a lot of awful stuff happening around the world, whether it be to people or animals or the environment, so long as it meant cheap food and consumer goods. It's not, and never has been, sustainable.

I don't want to change the subject here. We should be talking about the current invasion of Ukraine and what we can do to show our support to the Ukrainian people(and the Russians bravely protesting against the actions of their government) but I do hope that this creates more awareness and reflection on what that .92/L gas price actually meant and how we should think of it going forward.
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I agree with you, I'm mostly being a bitter a$$. These leaps of logic just annoy the hell out of me. If we did really sanction Russian oil, it would take time to implement and support. Hell, it may even be in progress.

 
https://twitter.com/mpotkins/status/1498410128537624576

Ask and ye shall receive.

Edit: And the IIHF acted as well

https://twitter.com/IIHFHockey/status/1498387598246621188
 
I guess it was as easy as turning off the Russian Tap.  High 5 Mr Trudeau.
Now if we can turn another page and recognize
the need for a Canada East pipeline.
Oh and P.S 
Turn on the western Canada oil fields.
Let's get western Canada into this oil boom .
Don't worry the transfer payment will also flow
to Eastern Canada


 
https://twitter.com/Morgan_C_Ross/status/1498285282822606855?t=5o4z7sCZq9spctCYVeqHpw&s=19

Interesting stuff.
 
So it seems as though the claim of Canada importing a significant amount of Oil from Russia is largely untrue and that this ban won't really affect much. Apparently most of what we "import" from Russia is actually refined petroleum that we buy from the US who refines Russian crude oil. We don't import significant amounts of Russian crude oil.
 
Nik said:
So it seems as though the claim of Canada importing a significant amount of Oil from Russia is largely untrue and that this ban won't really affect much. Apparently most of what we "import" from Russia is actually refined petroleum that we buy from the US who refines Russian crude oil. We don't import significant amounts of Russian crude oil.
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https://twitter.com/BizCouncilAB/status/1498329239308886019
 
CCM to stop using Ovechkin, other Russian players in global marketing
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2298220

I don't know how I feel about this... not all Russian hockey players are in support of the war in Ukraine, so hopefully it's not just a blanket issue for Russian NHLers.
 
FIA will allow Mazepin to race under a neutral flag.
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/nikita-mazepin-fia-allow-russian-204035051.html
 
Ovechkin himself has, over the years, been pretty vocally pro-Putin so I don't think it's unfair in his case.

In the case of other Russians I think you have to look at the entirety of the picture. The "defense" of Ovechkin is that he can't say anything negative about Putin because it would put his family in danger. If that's a legit fear than any Russian player would effectively not be able to denounce Putin. At which point, you effectively have an apologist for Putin endorsing your brand even if it may be for an understandable reason. If you're a hockey gear manufacturer selling in Canada or the US and the like, why not just go out and hire a product endorser who doesn't have that whole issue?

It may not be "fair" exactly but nobody has the right to endorse products for large sums of money and these sorts of things factor into decisions like this all the time.
 
berserker said:
Thank you  Deebo
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Are you sure you're looking at the right chart? Deebo's seems to confirm that in 5 of the last 8 years we imported no crude oil from Russia and in two of the other three it was under 100 million dollar's worth.
 
Read the attachment crude or refined it still came out of the ground in Russia.
And environmental concern there are probably
not a big deal like in Canada .  I would trust our environmental welfare more in the even so called dirty oil sands.
 
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassyC/status/1498816008756383744?s=20&t=rsi0QMd68EOF3-paQ5aRow

They?. They put denazify in writing?
 
berserker said:
Read the attachment crude or refined it still came out of the ground in Russia.
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I did read it and the ban enacted only bans crude oil. It doesn't ban refined petroleum which we'll still be importing
 
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