Undisclosed team makes offer for Franson

[cw]

Back when they landed Franson, I felt he was 6/7 dman that was suspect defensively. Since his arrival, he's done nothing to change that impression.

I suspect a part of their thinking may relate to Keith Aulie. He's a team worst -9 for the Marlies (second worst on the Marlies is -5). I haven't seen a lot of the Marlies yet but he wasn't sharp when I did see him and I have seen other reports that conclude he's struggled.

As well, Lashoff and Aulie (who seemed to play better more recently) have been hurt.

If one of the Leafs top 6 get hurt and they've dumped Franson, we'd be looking at #10 on the depth chart playing in the Leafs top 6 right now. That might make a GM slow down on making a deal.

Yeah, I mean its only a matter of time before one of the D get hit with the injury bug.

Moments ago, I just heard this interview with Burke:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/16/burke_turco/

Burke says Lashoff is done for the season due to injury. And he reinforced my point about injuries feeling the minute they trade a dman, someone would get hurt.

Burke also annihilates the rumour about Turco:
"We have zero interest in Marty Turco. None. Nada,"
but concedes they'll be sniffing around looking for a goalie if Reimer doesn't return soon.

 

[Bender]

"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

 

[TML fan]

Even Sportsnet calls him Colbourne. Maybe he should just change his name? 

 

[Champ Kind]

"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

It's not really an insurance policy. Burke's spoken in the past about how playoff teams need 8-10 NHL defencemen in their system. Now that he's finally getting close to that number here, why would he trade one of them away?

 

[Bender]

"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

I'm not making this up. He stated this in today's interview.

 

[Kin]

"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

So Burke's plan to maximize Franson's value is to keep him in the press-box as a struggling team's 7th defenseman?

Savvy.

 

[caver]

It's getting to the point of being ridiculous. Franson is a big,young D-man with some talent. Making him sit for almost every one of the first 20 games makes no sense. Play him or trade him.

 

[Bender]

It's getting to the point of being ridiculous. Franson is a big,young D-man with some talent. Making him sit for almost every one of the first 20 games makes no sense. Play him or trade him.

Well, imo there's no real rush. Two of our main callups have injuries in the A right now. If one of our D goes down we have a more capable NHLer to fill in than an AHL callup. That's fine by me. You don't want to be in the same mess as we are now with the forwards due to injury.

 

[Champ Kind]

"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

So Burke's plan to maximize Franson's value is to keep him in the press-box as a struggling team's 7th defenseman?

Savvy.

Rather short sighted of you, Nik, or maybe I'm lost in the ambiguity of your response.  Burke's proclamations aside, I don't believe he'd keep a player like Franson sitting in the pressbox in the event a starter gets hurt.  I agree sitting him is not making Franson look great, but I also think GM's would look at the totality of a player brings and not simply the fact that he's had a rough patch to start a year with a new team. 

Burke is waiting for the right deal to be offered and Franson will be moved, simple as that.  In my opinion, saying that he does not want to move Franson because a Leafs' defenceman will get hurt is simply a way of telling other GMs that Burke will not move CF simply for the sake of moving him.

 

[Champ Kind]

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"I'm getting deluged with offers for him."

Burke is surprised that the Leafs haven't had a D injury this year yet, which is the reasoning he wants to keep Franson for now.

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

So Burke's plan to maximize Franson's value is to keep him in the press-box as a struggling team's 7th defenseman?

Savvy.

Oh, and by the way, this (bolded above) is hyperbolic and not becoming of you, Nik.

 

[Tigger]

Quick Robin, to the Hyperbarbaric chamber... must... decompress...

 

[bustaheims]

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

Do you honestly believe that, at any point in the near future, Franson will be worth more than a 2nd round pick?

 

[Champ Kind]

No way.  This is a case of Burke trying to maximize value, not keep an insurance policy.

Do you honestly believe that, at any point in the near future, Franson will be worth more than a 2nd round pick?

No, Busta, I don't.  And I'm not saying that.  All I've stated is that Burke claiming he's holding onto Franson as insurance is his way of saying to other GMs "He's available but I'm not giving him away". 

And if the rumour of a 2'nd round pick and a player are true, I'm not sure what the hold up is, short the player being offered being either Redden or Gomez.

 

[Champ Kind]

Quick Robin, to the Hyperbarbaric chamber... must... decompress...

That was funny. 

If it's any saving grace for me, I did have to google "Hyperbolic" to make sure I was using it right.

 

[bustaheims]

And if the rumour of a 2'nd round pick and a player are true, I'm not sure what the hold up is, short the player being offered being either Redden or Gomez.

It could, you know, be that Burke is being entirely honest when he says he doesn't want to trade him because he's concerned about injuries to the blueline. I mean, that would be the most simple, straight forward and logical answer, would it not? Assuming what Dreger reported is true, of course - and, with Burke saying there's been a "deluge" of offers for him, there's no reason to believe it's not.

 

[Tigger]

Quick Robin, to the Hyperbarbaric chamber... must... decompress...

That was funny. 

If it's any saving grace for me, I did have to google "Hyperbolic" to make sure I was using it right.

Yeah, I almost went with Hyperbollock chamber but thought it might be misinterpreted...

 

[Champ Kind]

And if the rumour of a 2'nd round pick and a player are true, I'm not sure what the hold up is, short the player being offered being either Redden or Gomez.

It could, you know, be that Burke is being entirely honest when he says he doesn't want to trade him because he's concerned about injuries to the blueline. I mean, that would be the most simple, straight forward and logical answer, would it not? Assuming what Dreger reported is true, of course - and, with Burke saying there's been a "deluge" of offers for him, there's no reason to believe it's not.

Agreed.  However, I'm not sure Franson is the type of player you want sitting in the rafters pining for an opportunity.  I mean, he would fall into the Gardiner, Schenn, Aulie camp - young with unattained (we hope) upside - more than an Exelby or Laschoff - servicable but older.  This is the basis of my argument; that you don't keep a 24 year old with upside as your 'just in case'.

Although, I do subscribe to the threory that the simplest explanation is usually the best one...

 

[applecheeks]

And if the rumour of a 2'nd round pick and a player are true, I'm not sure what the hold up is, short the player being offered being either Redden or Gomez.

It could, you know, be that Burke is being entirely honest when he says he doesn't want to trade him because he's concerned about injuries to the blueline. I mean, that would be the most simple, straight forward and logical answer, would it not? Assuming what Dreger reported is true, of course - and, with Burke saying there's been a "deluge" of offers for him, there's no reason to believe it's not.

Agreed.  However, I'm not sure Franson is the type of player you want sitting in the rafters pining for an opportunity.  I mean, he would fall into the Gardiner, Schenn, Aulie camp - young with unattained (we hope) upside - more than an Exelby or Laschoff - servicable but older.  This is the basis of my argument; that you don't keep a 24 year old with upside as your 'just in case'.

Although, I do subscribe to the threory that the simplest explanation is usually the best one...

Just in case is a good thing. Franson did well tonight with all aspects of the game. I still believe he is part of Burkes plans and thats what he's said all along.  Liking what I see.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Franson woke up and played the game we thought he could when we got him. He was nowhere near as soft as he's been in the other games he played for us. He was hitting very hard last night night and obviously, his bullet of a shot finally showed itself.